Milkman delivers

QUOTE (T R U @ May 14, 2011 -> 02:38 AM) Please just stop ^

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 14, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) I believe 100% that Cleveland will not win the division. I also don't believe that April into the beginning of May is the "norm" for this team. Do we have a chance? Yes we do. We have more talent than any team in this division. Did we dig too deep of a hole? Well, that is the $126 million question. First things first they cannot slump into the end of this month, or they won't get the chance to prove whether they can win or not. I don't think anyone believed Cleveland would hold onto the division in 2007 either.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 14, 2011 -> 06:39 AM) People are upset about losing Jeff Gray? Jeff Gray? Really? People, he did fine, but it was 13 innings in garbage time. If he was as valuable as you think, the White Sox wouldn't have had to place him on waivers, they could have traded him for something, anything, but apparently no team was willing to give KW anything. I'm so sick of the small-mindedness from people who act like they don't understand what people are angry about. Nobody is upset that Jeff Gray is gone. Nobody believes he is some great reliever. We're upset because he was sent packing in favor of a worse player. You all understand this, but it's more fun to create a straw man argument and tear it apart. WAH JEFF GRAY IS THE BESTEST PICTURE EVER WHY DID WE KICK HIM OUT11!!!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 14, 2011 -> 05:02 AM) As of this moment, you don't trade him for a goddamn thing. Oh, and not wanting to count on Peavy? How about not wanting to count on Phil Humber...you know, the dude who is 28 and has never had any sort of sustained success at the major league level? He's proven he can be adequate, but you are talking about replacing a guy who is almost an ace with a guy who is probably a 4.50 ERA type guy at his best. That is absolutely absurd. As of right now, the Sox have, optimistically, anywhere from a 25-50% chance of winning the division. If they trade Danks, that drops to 5-10%. You think the chances of the Sox winning the division are that high?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 14, 2011 -> 08:21 AM) Its never been confirmed the story was even true, but haters are gonna hate, so if you're not a fan of Hawk, there's no chance it isn't true. I have a hard time believing Wimpy would ever sit next to him again if it were true, and while Wimpy is a very nice man, he has had a dark side, perhaps caused by no fault of his own. I'd give the chances of the story being true less than 1%. Wimpy wouldn't have called Hawk to tell him he was quitting. He wouldn't have called him on Hawk Harrelson day, and he certainly wouldn't be working with him now if it were true, apology or not. Money. And as far as I'm concerned, all of your other points are as much speculation as you consider the original story.

If the Sox don't win the division, I really hope the Indians or Royals take it just so that people will have to see and admit that it is possible.

QUOTE (Real @ May 14, 2011 -> 12:11 AM) Nobody beats him? Haha, I was hoping someone would make that reference. I'm glad this team is finally doing something.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) No one's disputing this statement as far as I can tell. Here's the question. You do something or say something extremely offensive to someone that you later regret. It deeply harms another person. Pick the topic. In this case, molestation, but you could go with any other number of them. If you did that, are you forever beyond redemption? For some things, yes.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) Yeah, it's really pretty easy to have a joke get really carried away and be a complete non-reflection of the teller's actual sentiments. I've definitely said things (and I'm pretty sure we probably all have) that if we were in the public eye and they got out, our reputations would probably be ruined. And we're not even sure what exactly was said, how it was said, etc. I'm sorry, there's no need to ever bring up another person's molestation to anyone but said person.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 13, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) Coming from a guy who made a joke about killing kids last week. I'm not saying I'm a good person. I could care less about Muammar Gaddafi's grandchildren. Are they even "kids" anyway? I mean, Gaddafi is 68. His grandchildren could be in their 20's. The key difference is that Hawk was told something very personal in and turned around and made it public and a joke.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) WTF? The higher ups? Told him to do something? He basically went off to broadcast for the Nationals for a few years and then quasi-retired. He doesn't need to be coming back to broadcast games if he doesn't want to. Where on Earth did you come up with the idea that he's some sort of slave to the Sox corporation? Are you just at the point of assuming that anyone and everyone that ever associates with the team is that way? Haha, went a little off the deep end there, though.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ May 13, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) I think he meant Hawk would shut his mouth and be a company man. Yup, but I could've phrased that better after looking over it.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 13, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) I find it hilarious how upset people are that Jeff Gray is no longer on our roster. Yeah, yeah, I get that he's outpitched Pena, and that Pierre is PE#1 and Mark Teahen is still on the roster etc...but I still find this comical. It's been a slow buildup of these types of things.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ May 13, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) Hadn't thought of that, but it fits. Maybe the most insightful post in a long time. LOL thanks.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) You're correct, it does. But it takes a bigger man to make a mistake and then admit he was wrong later. Bigger man, my ass. Hawk is the last person on Earth I'd ever refer to as a "bigger man". If the higher ups brought Wimpy back for a series and told him to shut his mouth about it and offer a weak apology, then I'm sure he would just go along with it because he's a company guy and knows his place. I'm also willing to bet that Wimpy hasn't seriously forgiven him for it (again I don't think Hawk was serious about his apology, as nobody would joke about a person who was molested unless they were absolutely a bad person), but he does it to collect the check that I'm sure he could use.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ May 13, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) And gets DFA'd, lack of accountability strikes again (trademarked by Milkman)!!! LOL, I'm such an egomaniac. I love it.

Funny how we made our comeback in 2010 when Teahen went down and then we make a rare comeback on the very same night he injures himself again in 2011.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) I'd pay to have you replace Hawk in the booth. I wouldn't last a day. Even if it were a good game for the Sox, I'd drop about 15 F-bombs just out of habit. In all honesty, I think Hawk actually died or retired years ago. They just have a technician in the booth working a soundboard with Stone. It has a bunch of pre-recorded rants and uninteresting stories and all of his standard sayings.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 13, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) I think the story was that Wimpy confided in Hawk about the abuse, and Hawk couldnt take it and turned on him. I think the hatchet was buried, last season when Wimpy filled in, Hawk had nothing but nice things to say about him. IIRC, Hawk gave a somewhat anonymous apology on air, but I was pretty sure he was speaking about Wimpy. Yeah, as I recall the story, Wimpy was molested as a child. Hawk made jokes about the abuse to other people, thereby spreading the news on top of mocking Wimpy. All in all, Hawk is a piece of human garbage. I can't wait until he's gone, one way or another.

QUOTE (Bighurt52235 @ May 13, 2011 -> 01:53 AM) I feel like if you're not willing to watch us lose by one or two in the top of the 9th, you don't care enough to enjoy when we make comebacks like last night, or against Soria in KC. My buddy and I had courtside seats for Game 4 of the Mavericks\Blazers series, and he actually got up and started walking out in the third quarter, if not for Brandon Roy's 3 to cut it to 18, he would have left. How could one live with themselves as a sports fan to leave before your team makes an historic comeback? I will have that 4th quarter for the rest of my life, and I would have never forgiven myself if I missed something like that. Just watch the games, folks. We don't have a time limit in baseball. We had Twins fans sitting behind us for the Liriano no-hitter. They left after the 6th inning. I am not kidding or exaggerating at all. Fans of the team whose starter was throwing a no-hitter left a game before the 7th inning even started.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2011 -> 06:38 PM) He turned that double into a triple not just with his weak arm but by playing the long carom off the wall rather than going to the corner and getting it, when you have no arm and maybe the fastest player in the bigs running the bases you can't wait for the ball to come to you 20+ feet down the left field wall, you need to go get it, that's just bad defense. The first hit off Peavy was also due to poor defense from Pierre, he got an awful jump on the ball allowing it to fall in front of him. The dropped flyball off the bat of Hunter was pretty brutal. Instead of trusting the track he slowed up to feel for the wall when he was still well out of range forcing himself to leave his feet on a ball that was not just behind him but a few feet to his left giving himself little chance of making the play. I believe it was game 2 that he jogged to a ball hit softly in front of him toward the line, a single for most outfielders he turned it into a double by underestimating Kendrick's aggressiveness and lacking an adequate throwing arm. Last year baserunners didn't take full advantage of Pierre's weak arm, the opposite is true this season, they're taking that extra base and the added pressure of having to get to the ball and get it in as quickly as possible is only going to lead to more miscues. It's super early so sample sizes are small but he's more than earned his -34.3 UZR/150 for the season (4th worst OF in baseball, ahead of a 39 year old, a converted catcher playing in one of the biggest outfields in baseball and Nate McLouth), -2.6 ARM (worst in baseball) and -1.1 WAR (worst in baseball). Who are they? My interest is piqued.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) But not because of something stupid like what Juan Pierre thinks of him. That's the whole point. And the other side of that is that all people, and managers, play favorites. Aren't you the one that came up with the idea that he plays Pierre because of what he thinks of him?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) Where has he ever said anything like he wouldn't take him out of games because he respects him too much? You're seriously kidding yourself if you don't believe Ozzie plays favorites. He's not going to come out and say it.

Holy f***, Danny Trejo is about to turn 67. I mean, holy s***.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) Wait you really believe that Ozzie is worried about what Juan Pierre thinks of him, and that is why he is playing LF everyday? I believe that he likes him and the type of player he is, so he continues to play him. If he were, say, Brian Anderson or another person who that he already disliked, he would have no problem pulling him for lack of production.