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QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:43 AM) If you insist. (You're the genius here, not me.) There it is again. You always have to bring this up in your arguments.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:41 AM) There are intangibles that need to be considered that don't necessarily show up on stat sheets. MB is a great defensive pitcher. He's a leader, a great clubhouse guy, and a "stopper". Hmm, So how does that make him better than Smoltz, Clemens, Santana, Peavy, etc...

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:36 AM) You can't say how he'd perform in the playoffs. Look at Barry Bonds...arguably the best player in the last 20 years. Check out his playoff numbers...they suck. One could argue that he's not clutch; that he doesn't perform well under pressure. We cannot make an assumption on Santana either way, because we have yet to see him pitch in a playoff. What about Barry Bonds performance in the 2002 playoffs?

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:33 AM) And they guy with the lower era could have that cuz his team is better defensively and/or cuz he pitches in the NL. come on, stay on your topic. We are talking about Wins, the most important stat, not ERA. Your argument is falling apart at the seams

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:28 AM) I asked, if you had a WS on the line and had to pick one of these guys to win your game 7, who do you pick? I'd go with MB (or Pedro) (proven CLUTCH pitchers). No, you started this fun thing off by stating that Buehrle is better than all of the above mentioned pitchers. Then you changed it to "I would take Buehrle over (insert pitchers name) or Clemens because Clemens is old" Same story, different thread.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:26 AM) Over the last 5 yeras, who has the most wins out of all the pitchers mentioned? You guys have access to all the stats...educate me. Wins, the holy grail of pitching stats.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:23 AM) I agree. Over the course of their respective careers, Clemens is much better than Buehrle. However, in 2006 AND beyond, I'd rather have Buehrle than Clemens. (Rocket is 43!!!) who asked that? What does that have to do with what we are arguing about?

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:22 AM) Dude...you just said that I can't base my opinion of MB based one his having one good season...he has had as many, if not more good seasons than any of the pitchers I have just mentioned. Oh yeah? Prove it mr smarty pants. If you are gonna shoot your mouth off repeatedly, back it up.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) Except that if I said for example, that 2+2=5, that is a statement that can be proven wrong, whereas if I say I'd rather have Mark Buehrle pitching for me than Roger Clemens, you cannot prove me wrong. but thats the funny thing. You didnt say that. You said, and continue to say that Mark Buehrle is BETTER than the above mentioned pitchers. You saying that you would rather have Buehrle start over Clemens is you changing your argument mid-stream, again.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:19 AM) Based on the last 5 seasons! BTW, if that's the case, how could you say Peavy, Halliday, Santana, Prior, Zambrano are even as good as Buehrle? They have had 1, maybe 2 good years each. Im sorry, do you even watch baseball?

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:15 AM) You're right about Clemens being the best of all time...but RIGHT NOW, I'd take Buehrle. 5 years ago, I'd have taken Rocket. How is that even possible? Rocket had an insanely great season last year, he was better than Buehrle in just about every facet.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:12 AM) The point is, Buehrle's credential are every bit as good, if not better, than any of the pitchers previously mentioned. Yes, but you fail to prove that point. And everything on just about every one of their resume's is better than Buehrle. Noone is saying he sucks here, but you are putting him ahead of some of the elite pitchers of the last 10 years, based on last season.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:59 AM) See if you people can comprehend what I am sayin...IN MY OPINION Buehrle is better than the above mentioned pitchers, and IN MY OPINION if a WS was on the line, and I could have any of those guys to pitch for me in Game 7, I would choose Buehrle. Hmmm, well maybe you should say that instead of asking "What have those other pitchers done? What have they won?", while saying that Mark Buehrle is better than all of the above pitchers. Just MY OPINION

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:30 AM) clement makes sense, no? LOL, not for the Reds. I can see him being a righty version of Eric Milton in that park. But the Reds will probably do it anyways because they feel they need pitching and want to get rid of Austin Kearns for whatever reason.

And to top this doozy off, there was an unlicensed 15 year old driving these kids around. Who knows if it had anything to do with the accident, but who is the moron letting a 15 year old drive around 6 little kids?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5274502 Regression? Come on man, the White Sox offense was awful for most of last season, I dont think there is much possiblity of regression.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 11:36 PM) The ball Paulie hit for a grand slam in the WS and other Sox stuff is on display at Harry Caray's restaurant. Great. Now I hope they dont blow it up and turn it into spaghetti sauce, because thats what they are prone to do with baseballs at that resteraunt for some strange reason.....

Working on the Sixth book in the Dark Tower series by Stephen King, "Song of Susannah"

Her bones must have been really small, a human's average height was considerably smaller back then. Strange that they had to use radiocarbon dating to determine that she was so old, you would think bones that old would be obvious. What do I know though, Im no Gil Grissom.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) What have they done? Won? MB was (is) the best starter on the best starting staff in MLB. You are kidding me right? Look at the list of pitchers that you said MB was better than. What have they won? Andy Petitte (4) Randy Johnson(1) Pedro Martinez(1) John Smoltz(1) Dontrelle Willis(1) Thats an 8 combined world series championships right there, if I did my math correctly. And I havent even listed their combined playoff and World Series appearances Now lets look at the Cy Youngs Randy Johnson (5) Pedro Martinez(3) Johan Santana(1) John Smoltz(1) Barry Zito(1) Thats a combined 11 Cy Youngs. But sure, what have they won? edit: ooops, looks like I forgot to add Roger Clemens to that list. Well, add another 7 Cy Youngs to the list, and an additional World Series won.

heh, now it looks like a baseball lightsaber fight.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) Loaiza was that year. so let me get this argument right - you're saying the best pitcher on the best team in baseball isn't an ace? Does that make any sense? How do you define Ace? Is Mark a shutdown pitcher? No, he isnt. Johan Santana is a shutdown pitcher, an Ace. Mark can have games where he shuts down the opposition, for sure, but pitchers like Santana, Pedro, Schilling(when healthy), Halladay, they will shut you down just about every time. I love Mark, and he is the Ace of our staff(meaning that he is our number 1), but he isnt an Ace pitcher. The closest we have to that is probably Contreras, if he can carry on his performance from last year.

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 01:28 PM) compared to Jonathan Quinn, Orton is Dan Marino. Sexy Rexy on the other hand, is the most overrated player in this town not named Kerry Wood. You and White Sox Josh will have tons to talk about. You arent by chance a Michigan fan, are you?

I was just gonna say, Jim Gray is reporting that Artest has accepted the trade.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) Buehrle is better than ANY one of the above mentioned pitchers. Thats a homer thing to say.....and way wrong