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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) Meh, I'll disagree with you guys. Tyson was a stud in high school who never improved due to horrible coaching and a weak frame and non-work over the summer. The idea of having two seven footers on your front line for years to come(Baby Shaq & Baby Garnett as some called them) was too good of an idea to pass up. Let's be honest here, with Brand we would've been stuck in mediocrity. We would've been too good to get the players we needed around him(because of the draft) and we probably would've stuck with coaching like Tim Floyd who Brand made look better than he ever was. The idea was great, but Tyson and Eddy never panned out(like they were supposed to) because of a strong lack of good coaching and other reasons as well. Brand would've never made this city a winner. I guarentee that. Did we lose the trade? Hell yeah we did, but it wasn't a stupid trade when you put yourself in the mind of Krause at the time. C-Eddy Curry PF-Tyson Chandler SF-Eddie Robinson(who had tons of talent; even the Spurs wanted to sign him when he was a FA) SG-Trenton Hassell(he was at the moment) PG-Jamal Crawford(has stud potential, but again, hasn't been able to put it all together) No, I will disagree on you on the basis that the NBA game isnt about possibilities and potential, it is about winning and results. Krause tried to play a college roster against the big boys, with a college coach who had no idea of how to coach up rookies(which I still am amazed at). The lineup you have listed had three players under 20 at the time of the trade/draft(remember, Crawford was 18 when he got drafted), and Krauses handpicked coach wouldnt play them, and couldnt coach them. Krause's mistakes in coaching, drafting, and signing free agents were all glaring when that lineup actually hit the floor. They had what, 3 years in a row where they didnt win more than 16 games?

Krause had no plan or method of creating another team once Michael Jordan left. Its really a shame what he did to the Bulls and what shape he left them in, both financially and competitively. Everyone said he was this genius, but I really think that if he had a mere superstar, and not the best player on the planet, he would have been exposed and fired long before he amassed 6 titles. His experimental drafting of europeans was just ghastly, poorly informed, and had a ripple effect on the Bulls after the last championship. So many wasted picks on players that never even made it to the states to play! I always thought to myself, "Why waste a pick now on a guy who may never suit up for your team? There are other, NBA ready rookies right there for the taking!" But nope, every year, Krause would gauranteed draft 3 guys I never heard of, and never made it in the NBA.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:44 AM) I heard about this. Donovan McNabb = class act. Philadelphia rep of NAACP = complete utter dumbass. Its just amazing to me that this guy can call on McNabb to give up his money, just like that. What Tom Brady did was without a doubt generous. However, it should not be expected for all QBs to take the same route. Peyton Manning took the max contract, as did Vick, and I dont hear Wyatt complaining about those two QBs not giving their money back to the team to redistribute among players. And the thing that gets me the most about the whole situation is that Brian Westbrook was the player to complain. He was the one without a contract, yet T.O. is the one with all the facetime and b****es and complaints. T.O. was already getting paid pretty well, and now this asshat from the NAACP thinks that it isnt enough and that McNabb is being greedy. Correct me if I am wrong, but NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Yet, Mondesire feels the need to be divisive among colored people who have made good with their lives, because one is getting paid more than the other. What a hyprocritical piece of s*** that this article is.

I was really surprised that this story didnt garner any attention around these parts. I figured this would be a hot-button topic. This is found in the Philadelphia Sun And McNabbs response http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2258970

QUOTE(ThomeOnTheRange @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) Did anyone hear Charles Barkley being so f#$%ing racist on ESPN1000 this afternoon. That guy is pathetic. I'll try to get a link to his conversation cause I'm sure it will show up tomorrow. This guy hates white people. did you know that Barkleys wife is white? http://espn.go.com/classic/s/add_barkley_charles.html sounds like a pretty racist guy to me to be marrying a person of another race :headshake

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) Wade didn't return a punt his first two seasons becuase we had Rdub back there who was a stud PR. We let McQuarters go and Wade was to step in, this is why we drafted him. Wade was supposed to be the PR of the future for the Bears but it turned out that he can't hold onto the damn ball. IIRC, he fumbled the first punt he ever saw in the NFL when the 49ers shellacked the bears 49-7 a few years back. That was our warning, we missed it.

QUOTE(jenksd @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:22 AM) ESPN has still barely given this anything other than a mention since they first had it reported at like 2 am. I've seen the chart with Nomar Garciaparra as the Yankees' first baseman about 6000 times though. LOL, thats cause Peter Gammons had no idea about it, and has to film a small documentary where he traces the steps of the trade, as if he knew all along.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) I think as soon as the Vazquez trade becomes Offical..He can pack his bags, he never wanted to be here in the first place. ESPNews has changed their breaking news corner from "Report:Vazquez traded to White Sox" to "Vazquez traded to White Sox", TIFWIW

I dont know if Garland ever felt that Chicago was his true home, if you think about it. He had to hate it when Manuel was the coach, the guy had no plan for Garland and no faith in him. Then he almost gets traded for Erstad, gets killed by the press for not caring, and doesnt complain about anything. I think he enjoyed his time here, but I wont be surprised when he goes elsewhere, either through a trade or free agency. I never thought he would stick around past his free agency years anyways. I would like to see him put together a "contract-year" type of season, however. I think keeping Garland next year would be very beneficial for the Sox in 2006, but you cant let that kind of talent walk. I dont think his value will be any higher for the Sox to unload him though.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:22 AM) I'm not worried about the depth at wr. We've got Moose, Gage, Berrian and Currie. Besides the fact that he is on IR, what has Airese Curry done to give you faith in the depth at WR? Just curious.

QUOTE(AssHatSoxFan @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) some crazy kid i once knew said the foo fighters killed kurt cobain Didnt the Foo Fighters come into existence after Kurt died?

Ive been nominated! I'm verclempt. Talk amongst yahselves. The Holy Roman Empire. Was it Holy, was it Roman, was it an Empire? Talk. Thanks nuke

I think the problem is that Crawford is basically the senior member of a very young and good outfield. If the Rays want to go cheap, then they will trade Crawford and keep the kids that are coming up. Plus, Rocco Baldelli just signed a bigger deal than Crawford, and the rumor is that Crawford was not happy with that. I would love to have that guy on the Sox. I think he would take his game to the next level if he were part of the White Sox next year.

Please dont bring Tejada here Kenny. Please.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) Sorry, I love what El Duque did for us in the postseason but I sure didn't enjoy his 1.46 WHIP and 5.12 ERA in the regular season. Dont forget his time on the DL. Duque brought alot of credentials, and maybe he was a force in the lockerroom, but he was less than advertised in the field.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:17 AM) I'd rather get something for Garland and Crede now than watch them leave for nothing after 2006. Then shoot high. Garland and Crede can net you a better player than Blalock, IMO.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:11 AM) No, I didn't. A friend of mine forwarded me the links and I was kinda surprised at all the evidence pointing to murder. I didn't pay much attention to the situation when it happened. Apparently noone paid attention. Courtney got away with murder. After you watch that movie, its hard to believe otherwise. One of the bigger pieces of evidence that was overlooked is the fact that Cobain couldnt shoot himself with the shotgun he had, the trigger was too far for his fingers. He could have used his toes possibly, but both of his shoes were on when he was found dead.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:05 AM) Garland and Crede for Blalock and prospects? Blalock? I thought we covered our 3B jonesing with Mackowiak?

Havent any of you seen "Kurt and Courtney". Lots of people think Courtney killed Kurt. In fact, alot of the evidence points that way too. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/kurt/kurt.html Some good bits of info on this page

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:58 AM) Wow, what a quote! We are the f***ing kings! Has a nice ring to it.

QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Max Mercy from the Natural = Jay Mariotti I would like Mariotti a little bit(just a little bit) if he could doodle like Max. However, he cant, so I dont.

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:51 AM) we're becoming spoiled with all of this winter activity the past few years. Hey, when you finally get to sit on the throne, you better act like a f***ing king.

i wonder if he is still going to make his appearance with Moose at the Sprint store down the street from me.

I love how NY is hyping this as the Yankees uniting the trifecta of shortstops on one team. Maybe 3-5 years ago, this would have been spectacular. But now, adding Nomar to that currently overpaid and underachieving team just makes me laugh. Let them have Nomar, their starting pitching is still a train wreck, they have no visible chemistry, and appear to have next to nothing in the minors. And who to blame but the Boss? Thats the greatest part, IMO.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:47 AM) TWIW, but Gammons said last week if Arizona were to trade Vazquez, they would not pick up any of his contract, including the $3 million the Yankees send them to help pay it. That means, if their position hasn't changed, the Sox would be on the hook for $11.5 million this year, and $12.5 million next year. The way Vazquez has performed the last season and a half, I would prefer to hang on to Garland and/or Contreras at that price. I am one who doesn't think this is going to happen. Not if they are trading for Jon Garland, they arent. f*** that bulls***, we arent sending them a budding pitcher for a well known headcase, and picking up the whole bill. If Arizona feels that they must trade Vazquez because he demands it, then the White Sox hold the hammer. KW better not let his lust for Vazquez get in the way of this deal if he should make it.