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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) And they are round. So are boobs. Which are not orange. pics or its not true

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) This is the worst argument ever. I know, I apologize. I indulged in a dumb argument

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 09:03 AM) Just so you know, this is the post I made that you started arguing with me: I don't think infidelity would have been that big of an issue. Most professional athletes are doing the same thing. I said im done. I am. The heads have been butted, half the participants in this thread do not care. Move along, move along

By the way, Greg Oden played his first game last night since 2009. That is crazy

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 08:53 AM) Again, why isn't MJ's image ruined? All these things are out about him. His brand according to Forbes is bigger than ever. It was 2 different animals. The thing that killed Tiger was his accident. Then the money grabbers, and the fact his wife was seen weekly at tournaments with their 2 toddlers. It was the perfect storm. MJ has been exposed. He hasn't lost endorsements. He is still raking in money with the best of them. You even wrote Tiger was exposed by the National Equirer, a rag sheet that has been around since at least the 70s which also featured stories of MJ cheating, yet no firestorm. There was a firestorm when Michael went gambling with his father before a playoff game with the Knicks. That fire was put out quickly and still would have been today because the guy did nothing but win. 2 DIFFERENT ANIMALS IS RUINED AND CHANGED. You obviously dont see the difference and you dont understand that if the s*** hit the fan through social media back in MJs heyday, he probably wouldnt be Mr Brand Name like he is now. Look, Im done arguing with you now. You are wrong, thats all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 08:20 AM) That is exactly what Kyle was saying. He said MJ would be villianized for cheating on his wife like Tiger Woods. That is what this entire argument is about. So everything is out there now about MJ, yet for a guy who hasn't played for 10 years, he's still raking in the cash. From 2010, 12 years after his heyday: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/53/celeb-...ordan_UGGU.html Yeah, knowing Mike cheated on his wife and was rough on teammates and mean to Jerry Krause really made him less popular. GMAB. He still makes $80 million a year in endorsements. No, it wasnt. I said his image would be changed, and I also included his gambling as part of my argument. You changed it to "you guys think that people arent cheating now because of social media, LMFAO" You also completely disregard the order of events and how social media destroyed Tigers image. Tiger still rakes in the cash, but not even in the same stratosphere of what he was making and what he would be making right now if that didnt happen to him.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:57 PM) Wait, what? This site became Chaveztalk at the trade deadline in 05. It was fun. People argued, lines were drawn, eyeballs were gouged, and then the trade deadline passed and Crede remained the starter

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) What soxtalk record for posts in a thread about a free agent before he actually signs? Im not sure about that, but Eric Chavez singlehandedly changed this entire website for a day

thier luxury tax is going to be more than the Astros payroll lol

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) And the National Equirer had stories of MJ cheating as well here is one from 2002. How many sponsors fled MJ? http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/...tress-tells-all How many were proven? Was this expose' written in the middle of his career, or was it over? Did Magic Johnson still have AIDs? Try putting it into context, if you can.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) You bring up the National Equirer as proof MJ would be villified for cheating in today's world as opposed to 1987, and have the nerve to say I have a vortex of dumb arguments? LMAO. Well, it did expose and destroy Tigers image. So, mmk

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) There are plenty of Michael Jordan cheating on his wife articles in past issues of the National Enquirer. I don't think anyone actually takes that magazine seriously. Again, if Tiger doesn't require an ambulance, maybe he gets divorced, but that got all the skeletons out of the wall looking for some free money. A story about Tiger cheating in the National Equirer isn't going to spark sponsors pulling their sponsorships. You do realize that the reason she came after him is because the proof of his lengthy list of girls was given to her, right? It wasnt just because enquirer put up a story, its because Enquirer put up a story and then backed it up. Damn, I got sucked into the DA vortex of dumb arguments. MY BAD NBA FANS, IM DONE

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) Golfers also have a different image then basketball players so I think that also had something to do with everything. That may be so, but Tigers image was created in the MJ Mold. Everything about it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) By the National Enquirer, which BTW, you might be surprised to learn was in publication all throughout MJ's heyday. Really? Was twitter and TMZ there as well? I was young then, I must not remember things

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:36 PM) He is an owner of an NBA team and still considered the best of all time. It was a story his new wife is pregnant with twins, it would still be at least some story if he is out on the town fooling around. There was a big story last year of a woman who claimed MJ was the father of her love child. He is still relevant. There were plenty of stories in the Jordan Rules, yet that did nothing. Today, not all cheating gets reported, and Tiger would never had the backlash if he didn't back into a tree and an ambulance was called. The problem was, all of Tiger's women wanted a payday. It wasn't because of social media he was exposed. He had been cheating for years before he was busted. So what you are saying is, when MJ does something, anything, it is newsworthy? Just so you know, this is from tigers Wiki Soooooo the affair with Uchitel was exposed, Tigers wife found out exactly how bad it was, tried to beat his ass, and then he hit a tree. He was busted BEFORE he hit the tree. By the media

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) But your argument is the media knew all these stories about MJ but kept them quiet. Why would that be different now? I pointed out Magic because he cheated worse than anyone, and was only tarred and feathered slightly because of the ignorance of the HIV virus. If people were aware they couldn't catch it touching him, nothing would have happened. Athletes, celebrities are still cheating like crazy. Tiger caught a lot of flak, but just about everyone else it's considered par for the course. MJ is not everyone else. You understand that. And Magic was not slightly tarred and feathered, that was a huge story, that was all over every major newspaper and newscast for months. Hell, it was even a big part of the 30 for 30 movie about the first dream team. Tiger more than caught a lot of flak, he lost millions in endorsements, respect, his marraige, money in his divorce. It completely destroyed the squeaky clean winning machine image that Tiger and his handlers had painstakingly crafted. Nobody cares to really go back and expose MJ right now because it just isnt relevant. He was the greatest of his time, that time is past. It is old news.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) First off, how do you know he would be caught? What is the backlash on DWade having a baby on the way while getting engaged when it was proven the couple wasn't "on a break" like they claimed? There were plenty of stories of MJ's infidelity during his playing days. Nothing was going to stop that PR machine. I dont know that, IF HE WAS CAUGHT HIS IMAGE WOULD BE TARNISHED. You are the one insisting he would not be tarnished because Magic Johnson has AIDs

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) Tiger wrecked his car and an ambulance was called as he was fleeing. That is how this all got out. Then all his women turned on him. You guys must really think guys are cheating less these days. That's laughable. No, nobody said that at all except you.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:15 PM) They were afraid he would infect him. It wasn't because he was cheating on his wife. And Magic came clean about all his conquests. Do you seriously believe guys these days aren't cheating at all because of social media? The question isnt "do you believe guys arent cheating" The question is "Do you think MJ's image would be tarnished because of social media catching him cheating and exposed him" The first question doesnt matter, it is irrelevant. The second question I answer with a resounding yes And even though the Magic situation really isnt similar at all, his image WAS tarnished.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:12 PM) Wasn't that "after the fact"? And the only reason that ever came out was because Tiger wrecked his car trying to get away from his wife's 8 iron. She came after him with an 8 iron because she knew the story was about to break and she was going to be embarrassed

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) Just got done stuffin my fat face with Chipotle. Their guac is the bestest. fun fact, most restaurant guac is half cut with mashed peas

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 01:21 PM) I don't think you need Twitter or Facebook or a camera phone or the internets to realize Michael was gettting a little at every port. How much did Magic's HIV diagnosis kill his likeability? How did Tiger Woods infidelity kill his likeability? And Magics HIV briefly alienated him from the NBA, nobody wanted to come near the guy. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) MJ is still prominent now. Do you really think he's changed his ways much? He is nowhere near as prominent as he used to be. He pops up in Hanes commercials and every once in a while he is seen out with his wife. HE was a serious player back in the day, the press knew about it but didnt want to lose quotes so they just didnt say anything about it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 01:06 PM) The local media probably would still have given him the reacharound, but the national media would have torched him on many occasions. For example, punching out teammates at practices. his gambling and infidelity would be huge stories. TMZ would have people waiting around every corner for him

It would be interesting to see how Jordan would have been perceived if he played today in these days of instant news/reaction/social media. Something tells me it would have been so favorable

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