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QUOTE (balfanman @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 07:59 AM) This is the only post I will have on this topic because I do not want this to turn into a religious debate. I agree with the above quote 100%. As a devout christian and one who believes that the Bible is the Word of God; Dan Bernstein really ticked me off yesterday when he stated that the Bible is outdated in alot of areas and needs to be "reformed" as he says. Of course "reformed" to his way of thinking; which is, in my opinion 100% wrong! I, for one, will find something else to listen to on the way home from work. I only tolerated B & B before when they were actually talking sports. I will now not be tuning in to AM 670 when Bernstein is on. I'm out. I realize you won't respond to this, but I'll respond to your post anyway. The Bible can make you hate a lot of people. The Bible IS outdated in a lot of areas (see my post above). If the Bible makes you hate people for being born something, then you need to re-think it. I don't think God would want us to hate people or not be intolerant of people for being different. So his whole point about the Westboro stuff actually holds weight. He used an extreme to make a point, but it works.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 29, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) Exactly. I actually agree with Bernstein on this issue, but the way he sells his point is always over the top and arrogant. I agree, Bernstein has a great point on all of this. People hiding behind the Bible to hate on it, in his words, "have to own it." And he's right. He just owned a guy while talking about how wearing clothing from two different threads is a sin according to the Bible, but no one acknowledges that. They cherry-pick the Bible.

Ah so it was pre-season picks. Because I don't think even a homer Wild fan would pick them to win the Cup before the playoffs started.

These May 1st protests where everyone's walking into the city are much more comical if you imagine them protesting bad White Sox baseball.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2013 -> 01:06 PM) So Backstrom is in trouble. Barry Melrose must be feeling pretty good about his Wild in the Stanley Cup prediction right about now. I thought I saw him on sportscenter or PTI having Hawks/Penguins in the final. Where did you see this?

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 1, 2013 -> 01:02 PM) They shouldn't. They should tell the offender to stop it, or explain their actions or call if that was the discussion. If it's arguing balls and strikes the player/manager gets a warning then they are ejected. There is no room for an official to yell and lose his temper. The umpire should be disciplined if this is the case. At no time should a person whose job it is to keep the game under control, lose his control. It will be detrimental to that game and have an effect on the outcome. The only information we have is that Hallion said one line. We don't know exactly what was said, only what Price claims he said. Even so, who knows if he was "yelling." Even if he was, it's not a big deal. After all, they weren't right next to each other. Umpires, managers, and players have back-and-forth throughout a game as circumstances permit. Sometimes those confrontations are louder and more intense than others. Do you really think if a person is yelling a police officer, the police officer isn't allowed to yell back? I just don't see saying a line to a player as "losing temper" or "getting out of control." It's not like he ran up to him, yelled at him for 30 seconds, shoved him, etc.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 1, 2013 -> 10:11 AM) It looks like that had already happened. If Price doesn't stop he gets ejected. The umpire should never yell at a player. He tells him to stop it, then eject him if it continues. There is no room in a game for the umpire to do this. Price was yelling as he went off the field, hell he was still yelling in the dugout. Then it's taken to Twitter. Umpires can certainly yell at players or managers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2013 -> 06:46 AM) Speaking of seeing what you want, he doesn't say a word to the umpire until Hallion yells at him. Then, and only then, does he say something. On top of that, if the behavior was OK, like you say, why would MLB need to review it? There would be nothing to review, right? Seeing what you want, Price is yelling then Hallion (likely) says something as we can't see, then Price starts yelling again. I already explained why, go back and read the other post. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 1, 2013 -> 06:49 AM) There are some words that, when said by a player or manager to an umpire, lead to automatic ejection. It's pretty logical to conclude that it's not OK for the umpire to say any of those same words to a player or manager. I don't think the umpire is walking towards Price, but it's pretty clear from how Price's head suddenly turns that direction that the umpire is saying something to him, which is out of line for an umpire since the next pitch had happened. Once the next pitch has been thrown, the issue is over and it's time to move on, and it's a dick move to say something then. Price kept it going after the inning. He's going to get a response. Hallion responded because of 1) the body language after the pitch and then 2) Price b****ing about if afterwards. Tell Price to move on.

That was the game Minnesota had to steal. ******* Jonathan Quick...um...uh....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 08:14 PM) I'm still waiting to see where what the ump did is ok. Where does it say that umps can curse at players in lieu of ejecting them because the ump doesn't have to control his temper because he is the umpire? The whole idea that he was saving price by swearing at him is dumb. price was finishing an inning at about 120 pitches. He wasn't coming back into the game anyway. I'm still waiting to see why saying a swear word is the most egregious thing you've ever seen in your life. OMG he said a swear word, something players and managers do all the time (hell, Price could have been saying one during any of his yelling). QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 08:26 PM) http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_...450&c_id=tb Here is the best video. price had something to say on the previous pitch. After his last pitch he puts his head down and walks to the dugout. He does not say a word until the umpire comes walking towards Price, with something to say. In the very last clip in the video you can see the umpire all of the way over by the Rays bench. It is pretty clear that Tom Hallion was out of line here. MLB is even reviewing the situation. LOL. I guess you see what you want. And by put his head down and walk to the dugout, you mean he turns to Hallion and barks at him. You can't see Hallion walking towards Price, in fact he's standing there absolutely stationary in the brief clip you can see of him. In the very last clip you can see a zoomed in view of Hallion with the Rays bench in the background. To say he's all the way over by the Rays bench is incorrect. Of course MLB is reviewing the situation. They review a lot of things. I'm sure every ejection is reviewed. Add it on to Price taking it to Twitter etc, of course it's reviewed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 05:55 PM) You can't handle of a position of power if criticism of your performance leads you into expletive filled tirade where you have to follow a player towards the dugout to deliver it. That isn't how officiating is supposed to work. It is why baseball has standards of conduct for situations exactly like this. If the umpire felt Price stepped over the line, throw him out. They have the authority to do that. They don't have the authority to curse players on their way back to the dugout. If they do, I would sure love to see the rule that states it is OK. Being shown up on the field and being b****ed at after the inning is not fair "criticism of your performance." They aren't sitting ducks for people doing and saying whatever they want. Expletive filled tirade? So now a tirade is "throw the ball over the f***ing plate?" I've yet to see something where he followed him all the way to the dugout. Again, you don't always have to eject someone. The goal, and what is instructed, is to do whatever you can to keep them in the game. Show me the rule that says an umpire can't swear, or for that matter, the one that says a player/manager can't swear. I already mentioned this, but swearing happens on the field. You've seen the same arguments I have, and they don't always lead to ejections. But hey, every game has 40,000 umpires that know exactly how to do the job.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 05:37 PM) Umpires are allowed to do whatever they want. Players face consequences, umpires don't. Got it. In reality, if you can't handle a position of power, you shouldn't be in it. Period. Nope, never said that. They should face consequences when warranted. Handle a position of power? Again, not robots. You don't take take take and not give back. That's not how officiating works on any level.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 05:14 PM) lol. I'm offended by the idea that umpires somehow don't have any rules to follow. That is just nonsense. When the umpire becomes the aggressor, he has crossed a line. They have ways to control a situation, and that isn't the right way to do it. OMG he said a swear word. Big f***ing deal. He did not call him anything. Price was the aggressor, showing him up, then yelling at him as he walked off. Umpires are allowed to respond back, and it doesn't have to be something rated PG. Players have sworn, managers have sworn, umpires have sworn. We've all watched enough baseball to see that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 05:07 PM) That was a large part of it. The other part was following the player to yell at him. Sound familiar? What was said? Video? Link? No it doesn't, as every situation is different. You're offended by curse words, I get it. Saying one doesn't warrant an ejection or suspension.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) Baseball has something they call "Standards of Situation handling." It isn't public like their regular rules, but it does exist. An umpire was suspended last year using these standards. Umpires to have rules to follow. Suspended for what? Saying a curse word? Doubt it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) And not having to follow the rules. Rules exist to prevent exactly this situation, just like they do for players. The difference is no one can eject an umpire, which is why the league has to have some standards here. Umpires don't get to do whatever they want, thankfully. Please find me the rule.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 02:46 PM) Cursing at a player isn't good game management. It is being a bad umpire. Why don't the umpires have to follow any rules? It is like the police, they are supposed to be above breaking the rules. That is a part of their job. If you have umpires going after players, that doesn't work. Yes, because no player or manager has ever swore during the course of a game or argument. And it doesn't lead to automatic ejection. Not high school rules here - it's in that rulebook. Again, not s***-eating robots.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) Who scores more tonight, Sox or Blackhawks? How about Sox hits vs Hawks goals? Conditions are never likely for a no-hitter, but this is about as good as you can draw it up.

I don't see how he should pay 1mil then.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) Somehow I would bet that cursing at a player saying nothing to you isn't something in the umpires handbook. Wrong again. Go watch the clip. Price was yelling at him as he walked off the field. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) So why didn't he throw him out, instead of instigating the situation at a point where Price was saying nothing to him? The umpire was in the wrong there. No way around it. See above on "Price saying nothing to him." Had he tossed him immediately, you'd be on here b****ing about an umpire that has a short fuse, etc. You do what you can to keep him in the game. Good game management.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) Clearly he's just trying to go against the grain here. To think Price initiated all this is laughable. Oh really? Showed him up after the pitch, and Price started barking at him after the inning as he walked off.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 09:00 AM) It is embarrassing that people are even talking about this positively. Hawk is the laughingstock of MLB. The broadcast booth is widely regarded as the worst in baseball......and STEVE STONE is in it. Hawk made a fool of himself on Brian Kenny's show and people think that Hawk won the argument because he talked the most. I don't think Harrelson realizes that Rick Hahn is a sabermetrics guy. If the White Sox embrace this TWTW idea, it would be very disappointing. It doesn't make any sense. I have the will to win. The problem is that I suck and nobody would pay money to watch me play. This whole thing is really frustrating. They are major league players. They all want to win. The thought that they don't is absolutely ludicrous. Hawk is offending my baseball sensibilities. White Sox fans (me included) used to rip the Cubs for having Santo in the booth. We have our own caricature in the booth and he's not even being hidden as the analyst. He would be the color guy. Bingo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 01:17 AM) That there's a history with this ymp, it's not the first time he's had a dramatic confrontation with a player. LOL history. 14 years ago, over a thousand games ago. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 07:04 AM) Which is exactly what should happen, and should happen again if what happened with Price is true. I'm not sure what you are defending here. Umps should face punishment just like a player does if they step out of line. He didn't bump Price. Did Price face punishment for showing him up and then barking at him and initiating the whole thing after the inning? Neither should be suspended. It was handled on the field.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 29, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) I guess I'll beat the this into the ground one last time but because the game thread from yesterday is closed, I'll post it here. SS2K5 may like this. Apparently Tom Hallion, who threw Hellickson out yesterday, was suspended for 3 days in 1999 when as the home plate ump, because he bumped a player during an argument after ejecting a player and Jim Leyland. link What's your point? Obviously you get suspended for that. UMPS SUCK

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Apr 29, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) What is a reasonable price to pay for an engagement ring? If it was mentioned before, I didn't bother to look through the entire thread. Michael Scott says 3 years salary. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 29, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) *slowly raises hand* What the f***!? That's insane. I don't get why you'd do that. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 29, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) Damn dude. You must be a baller. I spent a little over 8k and was not very happy about it. But I waited like 7 years to propose, so I felt I owed it to her (and did). Looking back, much like our wedding (self-paid), I wish I had gone the cheaper route. That's a lot of money that could have cut down student loans, bank rolled a decades worth of vacations, etc. I hear you. It's all money out the window at that point, could be used for loans, down payment, etc. Actually the instant everyone cleared out of the wedding my first thought was "that was one super expensive party." Now we had and awesome wedding, but I couldn't help but think that. ******* Going back to the original post...if a girl tells you she NEEDS a certain ring or a certain amount spent on it, it's the wrong girl. She needs to understand your financial situation (or even how it will impact both of your financial situations down the road). The "general" rule is 3 months salary, but again, depends what you make, what part of your life you are in, etc. You could always do the "I'll get you a better one later" thing, and get something inexpensive right now. It's what the ring represents. Granted you don't want it out of a cracker jack box, but outside of that, there shouldn't have to be expectations.