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QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) Isn't it nice to know that thousands of US service men and women died so these people could rule their own country? Let's see, we invaded because Saddam was torturing citizens and had WMD, after we invade, they are still torturing citizens and we didn't find any WMD. That's improvement Mr. President. As usual, the conservative press will not report this because it would make Bush look bad right before elections. Texsox, our political views aside we 100% agree on something. No sarcasm intended.

I was at college at SIU waiting to go to class and was watching the news. It was one of the hardest days of my life because it took me hours to get a hold of someone at American Airlines. My mom has been a flight attendant for 35 years and the effects of that day still impact us.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 09:28 AM) A "holiday"... poor description, IMO. National Day of Mourning, perhaps. Which is what, IMO, is done every year already. Thats what I was thinking. I voted yes due to lack of options but I think it should be more of a rememberance of the fallen. I associate holidays more with cheer and celebrating. I do think it should be nationally recognized and schools and most jobs should have off to be with families and what not. It would be one of the most effective days of the year for family because I dont think anyone alive 5 years ago will ever forget what happened whereas something like Memorial day gets confused with a long weekend. QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) I don't think it should be a holiday. In fact, I think there is something almost beautiful about the country continuing to carry on and keep on track on the anniversary of such a tragedy. On a more cynical note, it will be interesting to see in 60 years how much people remember September 11th. My hunch is that much like previous dates that had a lot of history importance (V-E Day, Pearl Harbor, Normandy, Kennedy's assasination), it will fade into the collective unconcious and really only be mentioned in passing at the end of news shows. I think its a little different because, A. its called by the date it happened and B. it happened when there were no military conflicts we were involved in and in a time of greater technology and the overall severity of how it was accomplished. It was a complete act of terror.

I hope they shut down paradise poker, coming home after I have been out all night and trying to salvage my losses at unregulated internet blackjack isnt yielding high profits.

What exactly is she trying to get out of this.

Anyone think the cd thing was set up by her? Its amazing how all this stuff happens when she is debuting something. Also, there is no way she wont beat this DUI. All you need to beat a DUI is money, unless they try to make an example of her.

QUOTE(heartslasher @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) Do you think people are just voting other because they don't feel comfortable putting an true answer? Why would anyone feel uncomfortable puting an answer? Its of no fault of our own who we are in these regards at least.

Any girl worth that much money that does things like that on camera is gonna be in the public eye.

"Illegals, working those same jobs, are far less likely to apply for these same programs. So if you are suggesting that illegals are more of a drain than legals, the facts do not support your argument." Well apparently the facts did support my argument as I stated the figures earlier. 35% More illegal immigrants are receiving benefits then citizens. Also, as Ive stated in almost everyone of my posts, Im not by any means referencing to legals that dont pay taxes not being a drain on the economy. That is a completely different issue that you keep referring to so you can validate your argument which judging by your above comment is made up and you didnt know the numbers. My point, again, is that I feel illegal immigrants are a bigger strain then minimum wage, thats it. Yet you bring up social security, grandma and grampa not paying taxes and other issues that have nothing to do with my point. If you think that spending that kind of money on benefits for illegal immigrants, not legal people so you need not refer to that again, is a bigger issue then raising minimum wage was all I was trying to success. Do you know anyone who even makes minimum wage. I had jobs since the time I was 16 and never had a problem making more then that nor does anyone I know. McDonalds pays more then minimum wage which is why I dont think its that big of an issue. "Yes there are illegals getting paid cash, there are also grandmas and grandpas getting paid cash and not reporting it. Both cases are wrong, and things should be fixed so that employers can hire legally the workers they need. Laws should also be changed so that grandma doesn't lose her pension or social security because they start a part time job." This is what Im talking about. This is what you need to resort to when I am comparing illegal immigrants and minimum wage. What does this have to do with anything in my argument. I never once stated that others getting paid cash and social security werent issues but you need to change the argument to this because you have no validity to your argument, in reference to mine. "How do you see them not reporting the cash? lolhitting.gif When I worked at Foot Locker, they paid all of us cash from the register instead of writing checks. All those wages were reported. It is the employer that reports, not the employee. Do you expect the employee to get on the phone and call the IRS, "hey they just gave me $390".Should they take out an ad in the newspaper. You're cracking me up with that. Tell me someone you saw report any income. How do you report your income? How would other people tell?" You are 100% wrong about this. Employers do not HAVE to disclose who they are paying if it is a sub contractor, they simply write off their payroll and generally dont bother unless it is a long term employee that makes good money. There are several ways around disclosing who you pay. For example, you dont have to give names or soc's if they dont make over a certain amount, you can pay them cash and say youre always hiring new ones. Then you get a 1099 form and the responsibility is on the employee report their income. If you dont, in most cases you wont get caught but it is illegal and you could get audited. This is another claim that is made up completely proving youre shooting out stories to prove your argument. To save you the trouble, yes I realize illegals arent the only ones doing this and I think its a problem, but thats not at all what my argument is. "This was fun, thanks for the laughs. BTW, I assumed you are an adult, I appologize if in fact you are a high school student and just not familar with how some businesses run and the ways of reporting income." This is one of my favorites, you stated its the employess responsibility to disclose employee income and that and that illegal immigrants are less likely to receive benefits and be on social programs and then assume Im not educated. You can have as many people on here agree with you if you want but these are facts that you know absolutely nothing about obviously. Im sure youll twist everything around and bring up non-issues again but the bottem line is you are wrong about the issues I am referring to. "First off, you said you saw them get paid cash and not report it. You never did tell me how you knew they didn't report it. Of course you would have no idea, so don't worry about it. Where you aware that companies report those wages on their returns, which is why you are required to give your social security number? What they do not do is withhold taxes from the checks. They do report." all I really need to reply to this is to ask "Do you honestly think "illegal immigrants" not grandpa are reprting their income when they are paid cash when they are paid as sub contractors? I am not naive enough to think I will sway anyones opinion on this but I listed numbers and facts that show how illegal immigrants are a strain on the economy. I doubt there is anyway you will not either make up some new facts or relate my argument to something irrelevant because there is nothing real you can say to prove your point because its invalid. You have no information to offer this subject you cant get from MTV. I have worked in jobs that relate to stuff like this everday and know how it works, you simply do not. Im sure you will retort that you do but look at the things you said proven to be wrong. Again, IM"O" Millions of dollars a year paid to illegal immigrants who dont pay taxes a year is a bigger strain on the economy then raising minimum wage when there are few jobs out there that will pay that little anyway, not social security, crime rates or anything else. Do you honestly disagree with that?

checkmate?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 03:46 PM) You aren't making any points, you are repeating falsities. I wasn't calling you drunk, you called yourself a drunk, unless someone else picked your screen name. Yes there are illegals getting paid cash, there are also grandmas and grandpas getting paid cash and not reporting it. Both cases are wrong, and things should be fixed so that employers can hire legally the workers they need. Laws should also be changed so that grandma doesn't lose her pension or social security because they start a part time job. Yes, illegals go to school, but so do the working poor, both have the same effect on the economy. Both pay little or no taxes. Legals are more likely to apply for government benefits than illegals. Therefor, illegals have have less of a drain than legals. How do you see them not reporting the cash? When I worked at Foot Locker, they paid all of us cash from the register instead of writing checks. All those wages were reported. It is the employer that reports, not the employee. Do you expect the employee to get on the phone and call the IRS, "hey they just gave me $390".Should they take out an ad in the newspaper. You're cracking me up with that. Tell me someone you saw report any income. How do you report your income? How would other people tell? mispelled clothing? I believe raiment was spelled correctly. This was fun, thanks for the laughs. BTW, I assumed you are an adult, I appologize if in fact you are a high school student and just not familar with how some businesses run and the ways of reporting income. A. do you know what a 1099. If you get paid tax free you are an independant contractor and are responsible for reporting their own taxes B. for the 50th time, your referencing grandmas and grandpas not reporting their income has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, I said it is a bigger issue then minimum wage, I didnt say it was the end of the world, I realize lots of people do that and it is just as bad. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...ssuecenters7fd8 Although the United States’ welfare rolls are already swollen, every year we import more people who wind up on public assistance: immigrants. Many immigrants are poor; indeed, that is why they come here. The immigrants we admit are much poorer than the native population and are increasing the size of our impoverished population. As a result, the share of immigrant households below the poverty line (18 percent) is much higher than the share of native households that are poor (11 percent)—nearly twice as high. And immigrant households are more likely to participate in practically every one of the major means-tested programs. Immigrant use of welfare programs (21 percent) is 43 percent higher than non-immigrants’ use (15 percent).1 Each year, state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants.2 There are some of your precious numbers

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 03:36 PM) Seriously man stop while you are way behind... SEVERAL immigrants who aren't paying taxes? INSTANCES of illegals getting benefits? numerous occasions illegals getting paid cash and not reporting it. You do realize that there are an estimated 12 MILLION illegal aliens in this country, right? Great example. Boy that really blows away anything that everybody else has talked about. At least site some sources or something if you are going to make this arguement. I wasnt aware sources were needed on my opinion on which of two issues was worse for the economy.My point to what i had in bold was that I realize that not all illegal immigrants were doing this. Obviously I dont have exact figures, but Im not on trial, I dont need to prove anything, Im stating my opinion. If you want to believe it doesnt happen go ahead.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 02:57 PM) First off your premise that illegals are not paying taxes is largly wrong. They apply for Taxpayer IDs from the IRS and give those to employers, later they may also use a number that they are not assigned. Either way taxes are being paid. You claim to not worry about minimum wage jobs, but talk about the drain on the economy. Reality has shown that legal workers, working at minimum wage, are entitled to a slew of government programs. From housing, to child care, to health care. They require the same police protection. In total they receive far more in services than they pay in taxes. Illegals, working those same jobs, are far less likely to apply for these same programs. So if you are suggesting that illegals are more of a drain than legals, the facts do not support your argument. My opinions aren't any more valuable than anyone elses here. But, when Southsider talks about economic issues, his opinions are more likely to be grounded in fact. When Nuke talks about the military, it's from first hand experience. FlaSoxJim speaks about marine life or dodging a hurricane, it's a pretty damn good chance he's spot on. Want to know all about resistance? Ask QP. I don't know much, but border issues and immigration was a huge part of my life for several years. I will assume, based on your screen name, you're an expert on being drunk. I look forward to liquor discussions. BTW, Jim is an expert on microbrewing beer. Im glad youre so good at making assumptions on me based on my screen name, in which case youre a misspelled piece of clothing. In Illinois illegals collect benefits such as free education, subsodized housing, link cards, Im not saying others dont, I never did. You know nothing about me or anything Ive experienced just because I have chose not to disclose to prove validity but I have infact seen first hand on numerous occasions illegals getting paid cash and not reporting it. JUST BECAUSE THEY GET A TAX CARD DOESNT MEAN THEY REPORT THE CASH. Unless you work for the IRS your opinions are just as much hearsay as mine. Youve dodged every good point made by anyone on the subject and resulted to calling me a drunk because you disagree with my opinion. Are there INSTANCES of illegals getting benefits, in IL at least? Are there SEVERAL illegals getting paid cash and not reporting it? Im not talking about social programs or any other argument you need to change this to so you can prove your point. Im simply stating: In my opinion, illegal immigrants are a bigger issue THEN minimum wage right now in Illinois. I didnt say minimum wage wasnt an issue, I said I dont really care about it.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) Isn't Illinois one of many states that provides free education and health care to children of illegals, even if they are illegal themselves? Me thinks this would be a gigantic cost savor as compared to the avg American family. I agree that the previous poster made it seem as though illegals found a way to cheat the system for a gigantic reward. That's wrong. But so are you for making it seem like they work 24/7 and live in the alleys of Chicago with nothing to show for it. I could have sworn I also read stories about illegals who were able to obtain drivers licenses' and apply for financial aid at state universities and colleges (I believe Colorado was involved with that). A lot of the illegals in my neighborhood (Wrigleyville) whom I've talked to on occasion are hard working laborers (painters, construction, landscape, etc) making more than minimum wage, and not paying a dime on taxes. I do realize that its not all illegals cheat the system, I realize what Im saying comes off harsh, Im just using it as a reference to something I think is more important then minimum wage. A lot of those things you listed happen everyday and are a strain on the economy and it sounded like some people dont realize it happens. A lot of illegals are very hard working, this scenario just allows them to undercut citizens and solving that would help minimum wage take care of its self. QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) I live on the Mexico border, within the area that has minimal requirements for entry. Both countries allow for easy movement within 40 or 50 miles from the border. I was Executive Director of the South Texas Manufacturers Association. I have friends that own farms, landscape companies, and other industries that are hot spots for illegals. I also worked in a maquilla in Reynosa, Tamaulipas. I have traveled regularly in four northern Mexico states. So yes, I do have an idea. Many of my friend's parents were migrant farm workers in the 60s through 80s. They snuck across the border to pick, sort, and process our crops. They worked long hours, at terrible wages, and under trerrible conditions so their children could live a better life. So yes, I do have an idea. So because migrant farm workers that illegally entered the country in the 60s worked ward illegals now should get a pass on taxes? Laws are different in Illinois and Texas, they have to be because of the border, obviously youre aware of that. Believe me, Illinois has our fair share of illegals and they hurt the economy. Im not questioning their character, work ethic, work conditions. Im simply saying, IMO it is a bigger issue then minimum wage. I would also like to add I dont think y opinion is any more valuable then anyone elses on here its just how I feel.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) Like spending time on an Internet message board commenting about a topic you could care less about. I didnt say I have better things to do, I said better things to worry about. Sitting at work on a message board occasionally is a little different then protesting minimum wage, but thanks for taking the time to quote me, it puts you at a much higher level then me.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 01:30 PM) LOL. Not even close to reality. BTW, the government allows illegals to get tax payer ID numbers and to pay taxes. The IRS doesn't care, by law, if the person who is paying taxes is here legally or not. Here is a great article on the life of an illegal http://texasmonthly.com/preview/2006-07-01/feature2 Let's take $5 cash that's $800 monthly. Yeehaw, steaks, champagne, 3 car garage, nice home in the suburbs, and I can send $1000/month home to memaw Your statement is just as matter of fact as mine. There arent overwhelming cases for either side but what I stated absolutely happens. Do you have any idea how the labor field works and how many illegals work jobs as painters, laborers and get paid cash and dont report it. I know of several compaines tha do that. Im also not saying that they can lve comfortably here of those wages, Im saying if they send the money home it has a higher echange rate and is enough to live off of. Yet you think that raising minimum wage is more important then fixing stuff like this, and yes there are cases of illegal aliens getting benefits. In reference to your mention of houses in the suburbs, they do subsodize houses like those. Just because you get a tax payer ID doesnt mean you pay taxes, they want you to, but they cant collect if youre paid cash. This is really getting talked around in circles though and isnt even the point of the thread. I was refering to the irony of people protesting minimum wage paying sub minimum wage.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 12:26 PM) I find it amazing that people are able to work for $2 per hour, live in the US and pay for food, raiment, and shelter, and still send thousdands of dollars back home . . . amazing. Actually, they make about 5 cash, collect government benefits and live in subsodized housing, dont pay taxes, and send money they make to their families that exchanges at enough for them to live comfortably off of. Amazing indeed

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 12:52 AM) a healthy minimum wage helps the economy and tends to lower crime rates, therefore it probably does affect you. not all of the working poor are in their particular employment situation because they are lazy or whatever. I didnt say lazy I said underqualified. Thats still not my point. Dont you see the irony in the article. On top of the fact that they're paying for a campaign to make people a few more cents an hour. This just happened to be these peoples cause of the moment and next week theyll be protesting at Marshall Fields. I do realize it affects me indirectly but not to the point where Im gonna protest for it. A lot of people on this thread are changing the facts of this story. Its just another example of liberals being hypocrits. Also, if you make commision or tips you need to claim at least minimum wage for your taxes. People here may disagree with what Im saying because it sounds ignorant but deep down most people that have worked their whole lives and received an education arent that concerned with minimum wage. There are bigger problems out there. In reference to it helping the economy, I think not paying illegal immigrants cash under the table for less money then Americans will do a job because the money has a higher exchange rate when sent home is a bigger strain on the economy then what little Jimmy makes pushing carts at Target.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 5, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) How compassionate. Ive got enough stuff to deal with and worry about that being concerned with how much an underqualified person makes at their job. Especially when its only a matter of change. If you are really that concerned about donate the money you use for the internet to help them.

I wasnt talking about not for profits or work conditions really. If you dont like the work conditions somewhere, you dont have to work there. Sure, they might be able to pay less if they have very favorable conditions but thats not the point I was getting at. I was referring to my belief that if you are over 16 and are mentally capable you should be able to find a job for more then minimum wage. Iwas also responding to how hypicritcal that it was that a liberal orginization protesting about raising minimum wage hired a company to make their signs or whatever that paid their employees under minimum wage. Seems more like a place for them to start boycotting then hiring. There are so many causes these days that worrying about all of them that dont effect you can be exhausting, and minimum wage doesnt effect me so I dont care.

Its on a different level, but have any of you guys seen that new show on MTV 2 a days or the show that used to be on ESPN with Butkus coaching high school. There are a lot of parents who push their kids way too far withthis stuff. That would drive me insane.

I would be more willing to take it from a ninja then most people, if nothing else for fear for my life.