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We are now in the 2nd Wild Card slot if the season ended today, only 157 games left.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 08:46 PM) AJ's putting together a pretty solid White Sox career. He's got to be in the top 3-5 catchers in Sox history by now, correct? 1.) Fisk. 2.) Sherm Lollar. 3.) AJP? 4.) JC Martin whom am I forgetting? Kark? Here are the others with 10 or more years with the Sox: Ron Karkovice 1986-1997 Ray Schalk 1912-1928 Mike Tresh 1938-1948 Billy Sullivan 1901-1914

Paulie also holds his own vs the rest of the bigs since he became a full time starter. MLB Ranking since 1999 (top 20): 6th in HR 6th in RBI 6th in Games 9th in Sac Flies 11th in At Bats 15th in Hits 17th in Runs 19th in SLG Pct *according to Baseballmusings.com Looking at some of the other players on the lists, there are many suspected/confirmed PED users ahead of him. If you take them out, he is much higher in almost every category.

I saw this from today's game recap: I thought that was somewhat surprising and shows how durable/valuable AJ has been. Looking at Baseball Reference, he is also the active leader for games played for a catcher (1,497). http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chris-sale-pu...37649--mlb.html

Alexei Ramirez

Alex Rios

.243, hopefully near his career average.

I guess it is because just how bad Dunn has been this season. He is literally the worst hitter in the league, and it is not even close. According to BP, he is dead last in VORP and BWARP and Rios is not that far ahead. The worst part is they are the only terrible batters with over 400 PA's. Dunn's (-16.9) is the worst VORP in the last decade. Looking at this is pretty funny, #844 out of 844: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable...php?cid=1012588

Only $12 this season for Dunn, and AJ is only $2, plus the Linebrink trade freed up $4. So the Sox are actually looking a lot better than I thought they were after the initial reports of the Dunn signing.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 12:21 PM) Yah. If we can get Paulie and a decent BP arm I'll be pretty psyched for February. Yeah, I would be stoked if we can get Paulie and at least another decent BP arm. If we get rid of Teahen too, this would be one of the best offseasons ever.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) Question for you guys in this thread.... when is the last time you've been THIS excited over an offseason? For me it's 2005 - not trying to draw parallels either, totally different circumstances, we were more frugal then anyway, now we're trying to be the Yankees or something - but in terms of filling holes with quality players, that's the last time I've been this happy as a Sox fan watching the offseason. This is f***ing great. I love it! Mark Teahen, come on down... Once we re-sign Paulie, I will be at that level.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 11:59 AM) A Major Leauge source said the #Braves will receive $1.5 million from the White Sox to help account for Linebrink's $5.5 mil. salary. According to @mlbbowman Damn anything under half of his 5.5 + a prospect was going to be a great deal. Now it is awesome.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 11:43 AM) I am officially on the bring back D.J. bandwagon. Who will join me? I'm in.

Now sign Konerko! Big Donkey Kong!

What I hate about this stretch is that we have actually scored runs and still lost. The pitching, which carried the team for most of the season really dropped off.

AJ has been horrible at the plate this year. He is over 100 pts below his career OPS. According to BP (VORP), he is the worst catcher in the Majors with over 250 PAs. That is brutal. His bat alone has probably cost us a game or two. Replace his and Kotsay's ABs with league average players and we are probably tied with the Twins right now. I would love to see Castro get more PT.

That's funny because a couple weeks ago I was looking at the Knights stats to see him basically on top for BA and OPS and even among the league leaders, yet you don't hear much about him at all.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2010 -> 05:15 AM) Well, since Buehrle and Konerko were around in 2001, maybe it's just one little bit of the history. 2000 and 2005 really shouldn't count either, by that way of thinking...or 4-19 the last three years after the All-Star Break, but it's certainly getting in the heads of Ozzie and his wife. The Twins have been a better team (or at least finished higher than us in the standings) every year except 2000, 2005, and 2008. So I would think that would correlate more to who wins the head to head battle year in and year out. So obviously if they are a better team for 7 out of the last 10 years, then they will also have a pretty good lead in the head to head games as well. So our performance against them seems to dictate how we will finish. If we don't win the last couple of series vs them, and bring the head to head record closer, it is hard to see how we can catch them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2010 -> 04:42 AM) I went back and looked at the season, head-to-head over the last decade. 2001=5-14 2002=8-11 2003=9-10 2004=9-10 2006=9-10 2007=9-9 2008=8-10 (9-10 counting Game 163) 2009=6-12 Nothing terrible, right? Overall 63-86. Well, definitely not great, that's for sure. (I'll add in the 2000 and 2005 numbers later to see how much it helps). Here's where the big problems start for Sox fans. After the All-Star Break during that time period, 23-48 (14-20 at USCF) against the Twins. 9-28 in Minnesota, AFTER the All-Star Break. That's why I put 2-4 (realistically) is about the best I'd hope for. Do the 2001 White Sox really have any relevance to how the 2010 White Sox will perform against the Twins this year?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 12:39 AM) Ok, but do you know the answer to my question? It can't be variable and change within the 48 hours, so it has to be when the player is actually put on waivers. That is the order of precedence that teams can acquire them. So the start of the 48 hour time period.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 12:46 AM) That wasn't the point. And you are pretty much arguing with yourself here. I think about 95% of the posters who posted in this thread weren't fans of the trade neither. Now as qwerty said (I believe it was him) in another thread, if he pitches like Cy Young for the next 1.5 years he is here (or MIGHT be here) or pretty much like how he's been pitching now (or in that first half last year), it'll be much easier to stomach the deal. (or if Hudson is just terrible in the NL/arm falls off, whatever) Yeah I got it. I was just replying to Steve's post about Jackson being more talented and a better starting pitcher. There is nothing to suggest that he is a better pitcher than Hudson at this point. Hudson straight up had more value than Jackson.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 12:17 AM) Who Coop couldn't fix. So far, it looks like he's helped Jackson. Edit: Also, a guy I know who works for the Sox said around the office it was thought that Hudson was a fourth starter at best and had a lot to prove. Take that for what it's worth, because I do think Hudson will be a good #2 or #3 in the NL That is true, and Hudson will probably come down a little from his past few starts while benefiting from pitching in the NL, but still, looking at this trade based on what each team got, it is very hard to justify from the Sox side. This was essentially a salary dump for Arizona and they got a #2-#3 starting pitcher out of it who is 23 and another prospect. That is quite a haul. I just don't see the net gain this season or anytime in the future. The cost/performance is completely in favor of Hudson, at least for the next several years.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 12:02 AM) I hated the trade too, but now your talking as crazy as Balta here. I don't think you realize how good his first half was. 2.52 era, 1.06 whip, .223 oba, not to mention pitched better AWAY than he did at home that first half. (and finished that way as well. He might have been lucky looking at his FIP and his BABIP when the season ended overall, but thats beside the point) He actually had much better numbers overall than his all-star teammate Justin Verlander. (besides wins, strikeouts... the standard numbers) The only snubs that should have been there (I'm talking pitchers) were Kevin Millwood and Jered Weaver. Somehow guys like Brian Fuentes and Tim Wakefield (Tim f***ing Wakefield) made that team instead of them. Same as hitters getting snubbed from other hitters. (Pedroia over Kinsler, Hamilton over Lind OR Dye etc..) All-star nods are crapshoots though. He did have a very solid first half, and if he produces similar numbers for the Sox here on out, then I have no problem with the trade. However, that is one good half year out of seven?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 11:27 PM) While I thought it was an overpay, Jackson has pitched for 7 years and was an All-Star. To say he hasn't done anything simply isn't fair. Just pitching for 7 years hardly constitutes anything. You could also say he has been on 5 teams in 7 years. Also, the All-Star nod was crazy in 2009, he was good, but not an All-Star. There were numerous more deserving players, and All-Star appearances, like Gold-Gloves are not really an indication of true talent or performance. I don't mind that the Sox traded for him, but there is no way you give up Hudson AND another prospect while adding salary. That is just fail anyway you look at it. Arizona got over big time. At his age, equivalent pitchers are Kyle Lohse and others like the infamous Daniel Cabrera. Not really good company.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 09:32 AM) What clicked was his going to the National League. Edwin Jackson is a more talented and better starting pitcher, and is better for this team going forward. Define more talented and a better starting pitcher. Jackson hasn't done anything his entire career in the majors or minors outside of the crazy 200 pitch no-hitter. He is an average pitcher at best, with a 4.69 Lifetime ERA, 1.51 WHIP in the bigs, and with similar numbers in the minors, 4.39 ERA, and 1.38 WHIP. Hudson has already showed more promise with lights out numbers in the minors (2.65 ERA and 0.98 WHIP) and very solid numbers in the bigs so far 3.47 ERA, 1.23 WHIP. There is no way you make this trade straight up like KW did while adding salary and giving up another prospect. This is definitely one trade that KW is going to regret. Also, Jackon's experience and 6.10 ERA and 1.68 WHIP in September is really going to come in handy in a pennant race.