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Relevant. Jerry Crasnick‏Verified account @jcrasnick 55m55 minutes ago The chances of #Orioles Zach Britton being traded are growing slimmer by the day. Market for Britton simply hasn't developed.

Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 37m37 minutes ago Holland (Fri), Gonzalez (Sat), Rodon (Sun) for #WhiteSox vs. Indians this weekend. Salazar, Kluber, Tomlin for Tribe.

Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 32m32 minutes ago #WhiteSox rotation owns 5.71 ERA over last 55 games with 12 quality starts. Miguel González (with two) only Sox with a QS over last 15 games

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) This is where our disagreement comes from. The Cubs are our closest competitor because they are in our city AND we compete for air time, revenue, business deals, casual fans, city dollars, news coverage, sponsors, concerts, etc. They may not be close in our divisional and wild card standings but those other factors I listed matter too. And yes Cubs and Sox fans don't like the other team and want to see them fail. I live by Wrigley and see the SUX shirts right now. And plenty of Cubs fans at work have been very vocal about our Sox being bad these last few years. Because I have to deal with their crap everyday, I will root for their team to lose. Does that mean I'm not supportive of my Sox first? No. I understand that if the Cubs suck my Sox benefit from it in many ways. Cubs and Sox fans hate each other, but we have to worry about losing Sox fans to the Cubs. Those two things don't go together.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 03:06 PM) Yeah but I thought they were actually paying Clippard. They took him to balance some of the money disparity, but technically the Sox are paying him and Yankees are paying the other overpaid guys they acquired. I thought generally speaking the Sox have a policy of sorts to not pay players who play for other teams. The Sox taking on Clippard is essentially the White Sox sending the Yankees $4 million.

Now the only thing to do is to sit back and wait for the most obvious post ever.

Dan Hayes‏Verified account @CSNHayes 1h1 hour ago Single-A Kannapolis pitching coach Matt Zaleski has been named to the Arizona Fall League staff for Glendale. #WhiteSox

This all reeks of being more worried about the Cubs being bad versus the White Sox being good, which is exactly what JR had to consider here. When this question comes up there is post after post about the Cubs and Cubs fans. I mean it can't be any clearer that the Sox fan base has a ton of Cubsession.

#bestshapeofhislife Patrick Finley‏Verified account @patrickfinley 1h1 hour ago Jordan Howard still weighs 230 but has cut body fat from 15% to 13%

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) False. I work on the south side of Chicago and see Cubs gear everywhere. I lived on the southside in Englewood my entire childhood and never saw Cubs gear, NEVER. Now, I see at least 10 people with Cubs jerseys on a day, houses with W flags, schools and businesses with Go Cubs signs, buses with Cubs advertisements, etc. You are mistaken. Again, I think your assumption that these are all Ex-Sox fans is wrong.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) You are looking at it too simplistically. Sox fans were not mad at the Cubs trade at all because they beat out everyone else with their offer. If all offers are equal you don't trade with teams that you compete for resources with. JR is probably thinking if the Cubs win a second World Series while his team has back to back 100 loss seasons it may devastate his business. Advertisers stop coming, fans stop coming and watching or decide to follow the Cubs while they are winning, pressure begins to mount for prospects to play well, etc. These are all things a reasonable owner will take into account, just like a reasonable owner would trade within his division for the same reasons. Your immediate competition doing well while you suck is not good for business. I believe your assumption that for Sox fans being a Cub fan, or going to Cub games is a substitute is 100% wrong. The MUCH more likely outcome for an upset Sox fan is they quit going to games and watching games, as we have seen this happen in the past.

Patrick Finley‏Verified account @patrickfinley 1h1 hour ago Pace: Kevin White is 'ready to go ... He's pretty much unleashed.'

Most of the time the "lazy" tag is exactly that... lazy. Often there is something going on behind the scenes bigger than that. It is lazy to just assume that they are lazy.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) I think we all just need to accept reality for what it is. There is nothing wrong with a little rivalry in baseball. That rivalry ended up with the Cubs overpaying because they knew if all the deals were close, the Sox wouldn't trade with them. The Cubs paid a lot more than any other team would have because of our rivalry. Don't be mad about it guys, sometimes it works in your favor. I agree. Reality is that some fans worry more about the Cubs/Sox rivalry than they do about the welfare of the White Sox, and that is something that JR would have to take into accounting for in a deal like this. Your post only reinforces that this is a real thing.

Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 11m11 minutes ago The Royals and Blue Jays are discussing a deal sending Francisco Liriano to KC:

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 12:16 PM) How often do the Sox actually give salary relief? Isn't that a no no with Jerry as owner? Isn't it very rare Jerry OKs paying players who play for other teams? They just gave it in the Robertson deal by bringing back Clippard.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) They said they were texting final piece names all through the AS game which was Tuesday night. And the deal was agreed upon on Wednesday night, and announced Thursday morning. This story said it was agreed upon for days. I did hear JR would never have approved it if the Cubs didn't win the WS last year though. There COULD have been overlap to that. For example once they figured the top of the trade, they could have run it by JR while finishing negotiating the last couple of smaller parts.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) The dumb fake rivalry? Living in denial is never a good thing. There is ALWAYS a rivalry between teams in the same city and teams in close proximity of one another. Cubs fans hate the Sox and Sox fans hate the Cubs, the quicker people with your view accept this, the quicker you guys can move on. Great example of exactly what I am talking about ^

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) I'm not surprised. It's really hard for me to get a bearing on the 45 level prospects. That's where the depth comes in for Yankees/Padres. They have like 30-40 guys that could conceivably make a major league roster. Not long-term, not starter, but have a path to the majors. But when I look at other farm systems, it's hard to care about players that don't seem like they have more than a 20% likelihood of becoming a starter. But for pipeline, they are able to draw that line between major league tools/substandard player and non-prospect better than I can. Clearly though the white sox non prospects are way worse than other teams non prospects as seen by our records in milb But if you can take one or two of those guys and turn them into players that can help you today, as opposed to losing them for nothing in a couple of months, why wouldn't you?

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Ha! I'm in the exact same boat. Same two cars too. We are leaning Sienna because of the AWD, but they are very expensive new, and used are hard to come by. Meanwhile, good tires on a FWD are probably fine. I don't know if anyone here has driven an Odyssey or Sienna in the snow. I have. It is as good as anything. Honda has the AWD that kicks in with a slide or spinning tires and it does the job.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 11:34 PM) Agreed I also find it interesting that Callis thinks the yankee system has the most depth, I personally don't see it(its still really good, but the most?). Additionally they're likely to lose 3-5 prospects in the rule V. I can't believe the Yankees aren't looking to cash in on these guys in more depth for deals type of moves.

Petricka was activated off of the DL.

Dan Hayes‏Verified account @CSNHayes 6m6 minutes ago #WhiteSox reinstate Jake Petricka from the disabled list.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 10:19 AM) To what point though? Is some meathead fan going to stop watching the Sox now that they traded Q to the Cubs? Maybe I'm giving people too much credit, but that seems like nonsense to me. So far this rebuild has been met with very good will. If JR thought that there could be enough of a fan revolt to change that, I could see it becoming a consideration. What do you think the typical fan reaction would be if it was perceived that the Sox helped the Cubs win the World Series?

Just for snorts and giggles... Carlos Rodon has thrown 55 minor league innings in his life, including the 17 IP this year on his rehab assignment. TOTAL he has thrown 383 2/3 IP as a professional. Compare that to Lucas Giolito who has thrown 494 1/3 IP as a professional. Reastically, Rodon was pretty well rushed and is still doing a lot of learning on the job. Carson Fulmer is rowing in the same boat with Rodon. I mean if you think about it, Rodon was drafted in 2014. It incredibly realistic to outline a scenario where Rodon is the guy replacing Jose Quintana in the starting rotation making his major league debut after spending half a season in rookie ball (2014), about a year in two levels of A ball (15), a year at AA ball (16), and half of this season at AAA (17). It is WAY too early to give up on Carlos Rodon.