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The most likely thing is they lied to the fans about their intent to shut them up.

Not a comma either Jim.

Apparently the new market inefficiency the Sox have found is old and inexperienced relievers. So much better than experienced relievers.

33 pitchers.

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If Smith pushes the issue based on performance, I would understand it, I would rather not... but I would understand. There should be no scenario where we see Schultz this year.

I can see a realistic path for Hagen Smith. He is a highly polished and nearly finished product. He has pitched a lot of high pressure innings in college and other leagues. He still has some ramping to do, but not so low of a number that you worry about pushing him into that 140-150 range too much. Hopefully they don't Carlos Rodon him where they push him through the levels too quickly without really giving him any minor league experience. While Rodon had the stuff, much like Smith, it took him years to figure out pitching at the major league level. If Smith is ready he will show you, then move him. If it takes a year or two, so what, this team doesn't need to start his clock any earlier than they have to anyway. No need to rush him into a historical shitshow. Schultz on the other hand should be more deliberate. He's clocked pitching once a week, for a small IP total each start, and a small pitch count. Even if he is highly effective, the conditioning deficit for him alone is enough to say already that he should be in the minors for all of 2025 at least. Get him up into the 120-130 inning range, and get him pushing to 100 pitches in a single start. Get a feel for pitching deep and how to manage his stuff for that 100 pitches, because his mental approach will be different than when he knew he was only going 50-60 pitches. He should be a time line for mid to late 2026 if EVERYTHING goes right.

Usually when you set a historic loss record, you have a lot of really bad performances.

And Jerry 0-2.

The only other guy who has been able to go this "route" was Ohtani.

In the 4 major sports, 78 teams received votes. The White Sox received 0 votes. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6007317/2024/12/30/nba-nhl-nfl-mlb-front-office-rankings?source=user-shared-article

The monetary differences are minimal because this is bonus money from the international bonus pool, so it has to be based on other things. He's looking for his home for the next six years and has absolutely every team in baseball wanting him. It would be odd if he didn't take his time

The best thing they can do for the defense is get an offense that keeps them off of the field for much longer stretches of time.

Yeah, you either have to get Campbell with your first pick or see how far down you can go and still get the #2 OL guy. Then you build from there. Whether it is draft picks or free agents, you need to just nuke this group and start over with real anchors.

A lot of these guys will end up as obvious fat in short order.

Any time you make a list of guys with that little experience and ceiling, stating they all should be ready on Day 1 is a nearly impossible statement to make happen in reality. Injuries and subpar performance will make sure of that.

Forget about Colas. He has been bannished for crimes against Humanity and Chris Getz.

It also gives you a guy who can eat s%*# innings, without worrying about their development

Sure. But a portion of these guys will get their asses kicked bad enough that it isn't worth it for them to continue the ass kickings. It would be nice to have some stability and more predictability for the rest of the staff to depend on. A Jose Quintana, or similar, pitcher would not only be an outstanding person for these guys to learn and follow by example, but could also generate trade interest to open up a slot later on.

Again, looking at this list in terms of 2025, but how many major league starts they have. Jon Cannon 21 Davis Martin 19 Drew Thorpe 9 Nick Nastrini 8 Ky Bush 4 Sean Burke 3 Jairo Iriarte 0 Mason Adams 0 There is a whole lot of learning curve that has to happen with literally all of those guys. The most experience you have is 2/3 of a season for 2 guys. It would be nice to have some guys sitting on the bench next to them who have been in the trenches before, and can lead by example.

This is not a maybe. You have to give a QB time.

Both of these guys should be playing over pretty much any of these dumpster dives from the winter. Now is the time to figure them out.

Definitely more than 2. Even the position players we have a good chunk of them are really young, and that is just to get them here. If they aren't instant successes, which most aren't, it will take a year or two (maybe more) to settle in.

And at the end of the day the list of names of guys who will start this year for the Sox is almost exclusively made up of guys who have top ceilings in the 3rd to 5th starter range, and that is everything goes right for them. I still think Thorpe is the one guy who could be a front line guy if he figures out how to pitch at this level, but reminiscent of Mark Buehrle, his off days would make him t-ball practice as he doesn't have the pure stuff to miss bats when off. And while thinking of ceilings is important, remember every single pitcher on this list is ultra young in terms of MLB experience and still has to figure out the mental approach of being a MLB pitcher. When you ceiling is back end rotation, again, there isn't much room for error and learning on the job. With a group like this you hope you get decent progress out of a few of these guys, and then start to sort through who the never will be's (which will be many) actually are. This is a year where we actually should learn about how good Bannister and Katz actually are.