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Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo now10 seconds ago Chicago's asking price on Chris Sale, according to a rival exec, is "prohibitive". Understandable in this market.

Doug Padilla ‏@DougPadilla 12s13 seconds ago The White Sox scratch Chris Sale from his start but word is that it is because of the flu.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) No idea why my post got deleted... But the rumor is Chris Sale may have been scratched from his start. Questionable source though. If true then there's the question of why. It didn't get deleted. It got its own thread because it is kind of important.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) I love fans saying teams won't part with some of these names. Well, you don't get Chris Sale in that case. Yep. If it doesn't put a huge dent into your organization, it isn't enough for Chris Sale.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) There's no racism involved in this story. You're really struggling to Both Sides this. Even if you want to read that as trying to frame him as an atheist, which I don't get from the Jesus comments later on, they are taking a page straight from the Donald Trump playbook of playing off of differences and trying to use that against anyone who is different. They are quite literally on record trying to get him on record as saying he isn't a Christian, and that he is either Jewish or Atheist. Why else would they need to do that? The party of inclusion for the win.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) As a non-religious Jew, it ain't wrong. We don't sit well with people, a lot in the South. A political party taking advantage of racism is exactly what put Donald Trump on the ballot. This would be the DNC utilizing the Trump playbook.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 12:11 PM) Just to frame the package for a HoF caliber pitcher under control for what a #3 or #4 starter makes, in his prime, in a thin pitching market when pitchers are getting absurd deals. Think of the biggest return ever in a trade in MLB history. That's what Sale's price is. As well it should be.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 12:07 PM) You certainly do NOT need everything to go right. That is exactly the point of moving these guys now, so you can collect so much young talent that you just sort of figure out how to put it all together when that time comes. The Twins are a s*** example. Last I remember, the Twins did not do what many of the posters here who want the White Sox to sell are asking them to do. The Twins didn't trade 2 of the better starting pitcher packages in modern history in order to jump start a rebuild. People want to talk about a rebuild being a long road...it is actually the shortest road, barring something fairly unforeseen happening, such as some of our kids magically turning into the next Mike Trout out of nowhere. Like they did with Johan Santana? How'd that work out.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) There certainly are no easy answers, easy solutions and all involve some risk (that's baseball friends). But I am curious to hear as exactly as possible how you would get the team out of this mess. Thanks. Mark For my two cents, this is how I see it. I don't see Kenny and Rick going anywhere. While things have gotten better, I think asking them to lead a full youth movement is like asking a fish to climb a tree. I think asking them to do something that has never been done well here is a fools errand. You can make the posts about firing them all you want, but then you aren't dealing in reality. Reality is that they will be running this team for the forseeable future. As long as that is the case, a full rebuild is probably the worst possible scenario.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) So serious question: Just how much better than Quintana is Sale? I ask, cause the more I think about this if I'm just trading one I think it would be Chris. I think an upspoken thing here that could also play in, is Chris Sale a guy who can give you 250+ innings in a playoff push?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) When did I ever call rebuilding an "easy path"? I simply said there was no easy path to build around Sale in the next three years. I stand by that statement, our minor league system sucks and so do the next two free agent classes. There are definitely risks to rebuilding, but it provides a much greater probability of success than holding onto Sale & Quintana and eventually losing them for nothing. I don't agree that the probably is "much greater" either. You are counting on the White Sox to scout and develop a lot of young talent, all to arrive and succeed all within the same narrow window and giving up your best players to do it. The failure rate for teams without large market resources for failing at rebuilds is much higher than is being talked about here.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) I've outlined a plan to build without him, so have others. I have not seen one single plan on how we can win with him before he leaves before free agency. By all means, share your plan if you have one. Otherwise, don't call rebuilding a fallacy, because it's course of action with actual logic to it IMO. Calling it an "easy path" is clearly a fallacy. Instead of having known quantities, you have multiple unknown quantities that you need to all go right, in a really narrrow window of time. It is not "easy". Otherwise teams wouldn't routinely fail at it. For a competely modern version, ask the Twins how rebuilding is working as they are on to their 3rd GM and 2nd manager in recent years, and as bad as they have been in decades.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) Awesome, except there is no easy path to build around him and you're more likely than not to lose him for nothing in three years with no playoff appearances to show for it. That's about as big of a downfall as it gets. There is no easy path to build without him. That is the fallacy here.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) I have never understood why people say Stubhub is expensive. There are lower deck tickets for $11 right now on Stubhub, I went to opening day for $6. You know what's expensive? Buying tickets from a scalper and they end up being fake with no way of getting your money back. For 4 tickets at $19 each, they would have cost me $102 on Stubhub. That's why people think it is expensive.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:53 AM) These leaked emails from the Democratic party are mindlessly entertaining. You got them sending interns disguised as protestors to Trump events, media outlets with writers filing stories to the DNC ahead of their own editors, placing fake job ads for The Trump Organization looking for hot women, and on and on and on. But what happened to Bernie Sanders is disgusting. He never had a chance vs a rigged system, and these emails prove the collusion the DNC had with the Clinton campaign. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is an evil human. For the party painting Donald Trump as a racist, the Democrats sure have some Jewish skeletons in their closet now. Hypocrites. Fall into line, or we will even attack on an anti-semite basis.

And if you don't get a ridiculous return for Chris Sale, the downfall is that he is yours until next decade... oh wait.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) Been looking and can't find a solid combination of "well reviewed hotel" and "actually on the beach so that you don't have to drive 3 miles to it every time". Everything in Galveston is within three miles of the beach. Most them are on Seawall Blvd.

Douggie is going to wear #11 this year.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) They just won't vote. Voter turnout for Dems is everything. With the probable exception of this election, Republicans always always always show up to polls. Dems, especially the left flank, are flaky. Contrary to popular belief it isn't "independents" who decide elections, there's not this large group of people who flip ideologies they vote for every election. It's just whether more Democrats vote than Republicans that election, or less. That's just it. Republicans aren't showing up this election. There are a lot of them looking elsewhere.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) Warren would have big appeal with Sanders voters who are one of the wild cards on the left. With that being said, I think Elizabeth Warren is extremely effective in the role that she's in. Making her VP probably reduces her influence, it doesn't strengthen it. Sure. And who are those Sanders voters going to vote for if they don't get their way? The centrists are already looking elsewhere. What is the threat from the left?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:05 PM) Speaking of secondary tickets, why does StubHub's website keep getting s***tier and s***ter? #1 secondary ticket marketplace and their site is just awful. Yeah, it so damned expensive. That's why I posted this thread in the first place.

It is actually a pretty savvy move, based on the polls I am sure. Look, there is a gigantic chasm between Clinton and Trump. So much so that a guy like Gary Johnson is polling with double digits simply based on the fact that so many people can't stand either major candidate. If you pick a person towards the center, instead of further left, maybe you dig back some of those centrists. A left wing VP gains you nothing. What are those people going to vote for Trump? Johnson? lol.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) I hate to use them as an example, but look at the Cubs. Once they became ready, they signed Jon Lester. This is all assuming that Rodon, Fulmer, Urias, De Leon, 2017 1st round pick, etc. all bust, and that's pretty unlikely This is actually a great example. Anyone expect the Sox to lay down $150 million for a player to take them to the next level after a rebuild? Yeah, me neither.

I am going to cheat and put this here, but is anyone looking to dump decent and cheap tickets for tonight? Thinking about going last minute.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:10 AM) No I thought it was fine. It seems like things are a little slower this season, not skipping around as much as last season. But Rami Malek's performance in this episode was amazing. And I feel like the show is allowed to slow down a bit considering they're airing 12 episodes this season. I loved the episode. The way they have played both mental illness and drug addiction through his eyes is incredible. Usually the view comes from the outside, not the inside. I have been blown away thus far with this season.