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QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) But how can you attribute those results to him when it's not clear which moves were made/inspired by which executive? Therein lies the insulation in which unfettered loyalty is conceived. The unfettered loyalty which led to a literal hire off of the street becoming our GM over time.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) Yes, Professor, I have no ability to understand the concept of forecasting. Way beyond me. What's not beyond me is the ability to call out the so-called "3 year plan" being used as a way by Williams to explain away the massive underachieving of the ballclub last month. Again, if you understood what was really going on, it would be very obvious. It translated very simply. We are not panicking. If you didn't get that out of it, you didn't understand it.

Follow up response to the Cascadia story in the New Yorker. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/20/1...ascadia-Article

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) Facilities Indy (and surrounding area) already have in place: Lucas Oil Stadium 62,421 Ross-Ade Stadium 57,236 IU Memorial Stadium 52,929 Scheumann Stadium 25,400 Bankers Life Fieldhouse 18,165 Worthen Arena 11,500 Hinkle Fieldhouse 9,200 Nicoson Hall 3,300 Convention Center configurable for lots of different events Natatorium that has hosted NCAA championships and olympic trials Eagle Creek Park has hosted NCAA rowing championships East Race in South Bend has hosted kayaking olympic trials IUPUI has a pretty nice track that could probably have temporary seating added for an olympics. When Indy hosted the PanAm games in the 80's, they actually did all of the sailing events in Michigan City on Lake Michigan. The IUPUI track was actually put in for the PanAm games as well, and was considered world class back then. I am sure the technology has changed since then though. The other thing Indy has going for it is they are used to bringing in large crowds for long periods of time with the Indy 500. Downtown is laid out incredibly well with everything flowing together, instead of downtown Chicago, for example, where everything is in different places. I could get behind an Indy bid.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:00 PM) Should be an easy yes as of now. But we'll see. has anyone spotted EJ in Boston? He's got to be there right? I would love to know if Erik Johnson is traveling with the team or not.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) Very true, but the competence of Saladino and Sanchez, two young players, has been key in this mini-turnaround. And they are handling their positions defensively. Keep building The changes really started to happen once the defense solidified. Alexei and Eaton started fielding like themselves again, Gillaspie and Johnson were banished, and everyone else stayed OK. This team has been a lot more competitive with each notch the defense has gotten better.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) Even if they took 1/3 to 1/2 of his salary I'd give him up for a C level relief prospect. Maybe if you took on 3/4 of the salary, or more.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 07:25 AM) It's more like stupidity to decide the course of a team's future on three games. So what's the combination for selling or buying? 3 wins -- nothing 2 wins -- nothing 1 win -- sell 0 wins -- sell Or what if we win all three and dont gain any ground in the WC? These combinations and possibilities from it are ridiculous to me. Nothing should have changed from last week to today. Whatever combination of wins or losses these next games hold, I'd still trade Shark. If we're resurging, which I doubt, it has been largely due to the offense. There are still four other pitchers in our rotation and Johnson to carry the starting pitching. My only question wouldn't be IF I trade Shark, but whether they'll look for ML playera or prospects in return for him. I really hope there are people in the FO who are thinking past the Boston series. I don't think they are doing anything of substance in the next three days, whether the team goes 3-0 or 0-3.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:50 PM) Scary thing with Eaton was his defensive decline, but it looks like that was a blip. He was completely useless in all aspects in april. He, and a couple of others, came out of camp trying to do to much. Once he relaxed and let the game come to him, he was fine. For example, instead of hitting a cut off guy, he was trying to throw through to the base. He was trying to make the spectacular catch, instead of making sure the ball didn't get past him, etc.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:40 PM) It was ridiculous for people to deem them as failures less than halfway into the first year of either deal. With the emphasis on moment to moment stats, I think it is worth saying that even a guy that hits .333 doesn't go 1-3 each game. He has some 0-4's mixed in with some 2 hit games. Seasons are like that as well. Guys slump for parts of the season, and hit their asses off at others. At the end of the day, you have a season.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 07:09 AM) I don't think the return for any of the big names is going to be worth moving them. Now, I'd give up Danks or Ramirez for almost nothing if the buyers are taking on the salary. No one is taking on John Danks salary. Ever.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) Are you sure? Avi looks like he's not an OFer, are we banking on Hawkins? Are we going to go with a power deficit of Saladino-Sanchez-micah in the infield? Catcher for future? Doesn't seem like we have plugged much. Before we needed a #2 RH starter, a LF, and a closer, in addition to what we need now. How is that not putting less pressure on guys to develop? Realistically, it would have put at least a couple of guys into positions they might not have been ready for in April. Instead they are still in the minors. Under the no signings in the off season version, we either have Scott Carroll or Erik Johnson in the rotation. We also have god knows who else in the bullpen, maybe Montas as a reliever? I can't even guess who the extra OF would have been. As guys are moved to Chicago, other guys get moved to AAA to fill their spots.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:53 AM) These veteran hitters aren't exactly crushing it. And they're in their declining years. Still way too many holes to trade young players. The 2 guys who are likeliest to go for a vet, if KW is negotiating, are the 2 Johnsons, plus a couple of our better A ball pitchers. Pass. In hindsight, yes. Then again, now these guys are mostly hitting, which changes things.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Sure, I agree. but we are still hoping that every.single.prospect. hits. We do not have the depth, which is why it hurts to not exploit an asset with little long-term value (samardjiza), that could add talent to the system. It just minimizes risk. But hey, things are looking good if Saladino/Sanchez show they can hang. With the veterans we brought in, we need less prospects to hit then we did in 2013 and 2014.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:50 PM) I have every amount of faith in KW to trade away a talent like Rodon is some effort to get a bat solely based on a 5 game spree from a sub .500 team. Rodon isn't going anywhere unless we getting a cheap hitting superstar. Rodon might be less likely to be traded then Sale at this point.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) Dick, many people believe Sox needed to stay patient and rebuild their young talent. Hahn has done a good job of that. JR/KW have shown to be aggressive and pushed up that timeline. We thought Hahn did so without compromising long-term talent. Turned out to be worst of both worlds. But if you believe in being patient, then you will be against the KW model (right now). Not hard to grasp. The young talent is still being allowed to rebuild.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:01 AM) No Anderson. What worries me is Phil Rogers mentioned it on Rundown. Seemed a random thing to throw out there. Phil Rogers is an idiot. Literally I couldn't tell you the last thing he got right.

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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:44 PM) That's what I just said. They didn't talk about it over the winter, they didn't talk about it in spring training, but all of a sudden when we find ourselves in last place in June - POOF! There is this "3 Year Plan". Absolute, total gimmick. Fans who don't understand what's going on here fall for this cheap stunt. They have been making these plans for over a decade. It didn't just show up this summer. Again, that shows you don't understand what is going on, nor the history behind it.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) Could it be a tactic to try to get more? They would be stupid not to.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:47 PM) And in what context do I consistently refer to 1960? (Hint - I just explained it to you.) Your attempt at "explaining" was a feeble attempt to have it both ways. You are flat out referring to the 1960's as a reason the Sox don't have fans who go to games in 2015, but are trying to deny it in the same breath. Trying to use what happened in 1960 as a reason why people don't go to Sox games in 2015 is quite literally the worst reason I have ever heard given to be a bandwagon fan. If you want to be miserable and bitter about what happened 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years ago, feel free. But don't lie about it.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) LOL - what in the Sam h-e-double-toothpick are you talking about! Honestly, in your fervor to superficially bash the fans every chance you get, you seem to lose the ability to process what people post around here. I've never once reached back to 1960 to find a reason for why a Sox fan today might not tune into or attend a game of the 2015 team. The performance of this year's team has given them ample reason to stay away. When I bring up Reinsdorf's horrendous record as owner of the Sox during these past 35 years that have very little to show in terms of achievement, and even worse (as if possible, but it is!), the combined records of the Veeck/Allyn ownerships dating back to 1960, it's to explain why we don't have the robust fan base today one would expect a large market team to have. The putrid results of the last 55 years, including the 35 years of the most recent owner, have been less than desirable. Unless I'm wrong about that, SS2K. Is my assessment of the Reinsdorf years wrong, or that of the past 55 years? Because if I am wrong, please! Explain to me the error of my ways - provided your explanation doesn't include a misguided and inaccurate blaming of the fans. That dog won't hunt. Um, you reach back to 1960 very regularly. In fact, you did it in the very post where you are trying to argue you don't. Not only that, you did it thrice.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:36 PM) Shields has a horrible contract Castro isn't exactly cheap either.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) Some rumors the Cubs might be trading Castro for Shields Now that would actually be interesting. Underachiever for underachiever. I think I'd rather have Shields to be honest.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:13 PM) Dan Hayes doesn't get paid to provide biting commentary on the White Sox, cut the guy some slack for Christ's sake He quite literally is drawing a paycheck from the White Sox. He isn't going to say anything that the team doesn't want him to say.