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QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) I just think the Sox trade for someone who is gonna help next year, and possibly even this year. Can't see them trading their best chip for a piece that's a few years away. Particularly when said piece plays the position that Tim Anderson plays (hopefully). I think that is goal #1. But at the same time, if they can pick up a kid who was projected to be a to 10 draft pick if he had been subject to the draft, and would instantly be one of our 2 or 3 best prospects, they would do it. Like I said, I don't know if it was the Sox that asked for him, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) A 18 year old sure wouldn't fit their 3 year plan, so I kinda doubt it. Plus I think Tim Anderson is type SS of the future. If the White Sox don't like any of the Giants top talent, it makes sense to ask for a guy like that. I don't know if it is them or not, but we all know the White Sox have been asking for big name prospects from teams when they come calling for our players.

MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors 3m3 minutes ago #Mets, #Athletics reportedly making progress on Clippard deal. Zobrist not involved. Details: http://bit.ly/1Ku6LDJ

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QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) According to Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com, the Blue Jays have been most aggressive on Jeff Samardzija. Hayes adds that the Giants are also interested. Samardzija owns a 3.91 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, and 108/26 K/BB ratio in 140 1/3 innings this season with the White Sox and he's been especially dominant lately. The 30-year-old impending free agent should yield a nice return package. It looked for a while like the Pale Hose might have to sell low on him. Related: Blue Jays Source: Dan Hayes on TwitterJul 27 - 12:41 PM MAYBE related? Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont)

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) Before that Sox series, many pundits still gave Cleveland a decent shot at getting back into things...so let's not act like they're suddenly the worst team is baseball. Plus we beat them by scoring 24 runs in 3 games against 3 of the best pitchers in baseball.

Question of the day. Having seen the returns for Kasmir and Cueto, has your opinion of Samardjiza's trade value changed?

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 9m9 minutes ago White Sox starters haven't issued a walk in 5 outings — a first since Wood/Bahnsen/Bradley in 1972: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/82...irst-since-1972 …

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) It would make sense IF they are sticking to this plan of trying to compete every year instead of taking a step back and building up a minor league system that has sustained success. I just don't know that rebuilding every season on the fly makes a ton of success or has shown to work. I don't think it is in the vein of selling the entire farms system for one shot, I think it is in the vein of adding pieces early to a team they think can compete at least next year, if not this year.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) daily attendance plus tv viewership is = to what in actual fans watching???? I have no idea what this actually means.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:19 AM) people and poster can banter all they want to justify this and that. the bottom line is, the cost to see a lousy team or a team that is not expected to see. now if you want to include the fair wx fans, so be it. they bring in a class A type of personality to make it worth attending a game..... yeah fans are fickle, but when one looks at the way the sox org has been run, why should they spend their hard earned money on a lousy product. Yet, they will show up every single day to complain about exactly that team. Weird right? They won't waste time on going, or watching, but they waste time on complaining about them.

It would not shock me at all if the White Sox were out looking for major league hitters that they would have on the roster past 2015. Could I see them sniffing around a Josh Hamilton style trade (assloads of cash, and not much in terms of a prospect) for a guy like Pablo Sandoval? Absolutely. I could also see them looking at other 3B's and C's around baseball.

Conjecture is one thing. The statistics tell another story. White Sox fans only show up in the best of times. Attendance and TV ratings show exactly that.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 09:57 PM) @jonmorosi: #Tigers about to fall to 8-11 since Miguel Cabrera went on the disabled list. And he's not close to rejoining their lineup. But they're buyers lol!? I hope they are!

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:42 AM) Again the casual fan really doesn't live and die by the results of their team. They go to see the show. Attending the game is a special event. The sounds, the sights, the food. There are family traditions to always go on a certain birthday, or to see X team when they come to town. I hope this example doesn't steer this too far away. It's like saying I'm a Brad Pitt fan and I will only go to a movie if it's a great film and Brad Pitt is in it. If you want to see a movie you go see a movie. People attend a circus, not because they are "loyal fans of that circus", but because they want to see a circus. Same with casual fans and a baseball game. Those pick games for other reasons, the promotion, something else to do in the city, and of course that the team is winning and it's exciting to be a part of that. So bottom line, if you really enjoy baseball and are a fan of baseball you go to games. Like I said, In then past decade I've watched every level of baseball played. I couldn't even tell you the team names or the schools of many of the games. Why should I spend my money to see two college teams I don't care about? Because it was fun. And I enjoyed it live way better than on TV. I enjoy live shows. I'll pay to watch a concert or play that I could easily find a recording of. I think you hit on a key point here. I honestly think that based on attendance patterns, and what respective fans say about their teams, Sox fans don't enjoy the game of baseball as much as others. They enjoy winning, and living vicariously through that, but not the game itself. They won't watch baseball just because they enjoy the game. They watch it to fill something that is missing, because when winning isn't there, they won't do it.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 10:00 PM) and if that is the case, why go to the game when you can see it on tv. you can to admit that the price of the games, esp in season ticket holders are $$$$. again, if your fav team is always screwing up thru bad management, why would someone go and spend the money??? This franchise is essentially last in TV viewership. They watch games at a worse rate then the go to them.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:22 AM) LOL - backwards thinking, at its best!! To the fan who is holding grudges over 35 and 55 year periods? That doesn't surprise me at all. But then, that is our fan base.

Apparently 5 of the Big 12 teams tried joining the Big 10 a few years back. http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/report-t...ed-join-big-ten

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) Sorry, but that is entirely wrong. The casual fans are the ones that in the end determine the attendance. Those fair weather fans that attend a game or two every year buy hundreds of thousands of tickets. The hard core fan base of both Chicago teams is about the same. What the two teams fight for are the "fair weather fans" who decide which team to go see. It's unfair really to call the fair weather fans, they don't necessarily declare loyalty to any team. They just like getting to a baseball game now and then. The Sox lost them in the 1970s by trying pay per view while the Cubs were carried on WGN. They don't attend the games on the cheap. It's an event and they will buy the souvenirs, pay the going rate for parking, eat and drink. They will get their peanuts and crackerjacks. Without casual fans the team has the payroll of the Pirates. Casual fans are a large portion of our fan base. It is why we aren't able to have the patience that other teams do with their building process. Instead of being able to invest the time, we get the OMG 35 years! OMG 55 years! OMG White Flag... group that needs a long list of things to be right before they are willing to go to games. It is why the Sox are constantly trying to rush the rebuilds. If the Sox fan base had any loyalty to it, things could be done differently.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:33 PM) As you said, it is all about the return. If you acquire a guy like Matt Davidson who will crap out in AAA, while it will appeal to some, it accomplishes nothing. Jon Adkins wasn't a good return for Ray Durham. I don't understand why some want to move guys like Patricka and Putnam now. It isn't like Nate Jones is showing the 8th inning is his, and the return for those guys who aren't making squat probably isn't going to be huge, and I doubt a contender would give up a hitter in their line up for one of them. There is no doubt in my mind if this current defense was in place all season, this team would have at least 2 or 3 more wins even with just about every player underperforming offensively. That would have made things really interesting. I think the one thing this series did is show teams the Sox don't have to trade him. I think they will, but it does IMO give them a little leverage. If only a GM had the ability to see into the future. Until then, this is all meaningless. You make the deal in the time frame that it was made in.

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2h2 hours ago #WhiteSox starters have gone 37 1/3 combined innings in the past 5 w/o yielding a BB (first time since 1972). Allowed 3 runs in that span.

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2h2 hours ago #WhiteSox defense still ranks 28th in Defensive Runs Saved but they've reduced their total from minus-43 to minus-31 before today.

Christopher Kamka ‏@ckamka 1h1 hour ago #WhiteSox had zero home runs from the second base position through 94 games this season. Carlos Sanchez has since homered in two straight.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 17m17 minutes ago The surging #WhiteSox suddenly are just 4 games back in loss column to #Twins for 2nd wild-card, and 1 G behind #BlueJays,#Tigers,#Orioles.