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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:29 PM) I can't believe how many people get duped by this "3 year plan" nonsense. It's nothing more than a gimmick to get you to take your eye off the problems of today and think about some promised land that is close, but not too close, in the future. Did Williams or Hahn even once refer to 2015 as Year 1 of this 3 Year Plan we're now hearing about at Soxfest? Was there any mention of Year 1 in spring training? Or did it just conveniently come up last month in front of reporters as a way to divert attention away from the club's poor performance this season? It's like visions of Year 3 is some feel good drug to make us all go away and feel really good about some magical point in the future while at the same time, forgetting about the teams's real issues today. I wonder if execs from teams like the St. Louis Cardinals and S.F. Giants constantly talk about 3 year plans the way our so-called brain trust does. The Sox don't "constantly" talk about the 3 year plan. Fans who don't understand the concept do.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:46 PM) Ah, but yet I am a forward thinker, you see. One who looks forward with boundless hope to the dawn of a new day for the Chicago White Sox when a new and far more effective ownership and management team comes in and takes over, and all of the ill-begotten strategies and approaches of the past 35 years are swept to the curb. That day will come, but until then, I'll continue to accurately assess the current state of things, and where I see fit to point out the shortcomings of the current ownership and management team for their continuous failure, I will. A forward thinker isn't using what happened in 1960 as a reason for not doing something in 2015. That is the exact opposite of forward thinking. That is up there with seat color and the what the teams profits from 2006 were as "good" reasons to not go to games in 2015, for the most ridiculous stuff I have read on Soxtalk.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 06:49 PM) Nope and in spring there was a well passed along story about how he didn't like the GIants asking him to come into camp in better shape and how he was enjoying eating all the food now that he was a Red Sox. never really understood how pro athletes can't slim down. It's your f***ing job and yyou have all the resources. Some guys can carry the weight when they are young but once you hit 30... Dude just got a $100 million from a team. Why would he care?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 06:17 PM) Joe Kelly may have just ended our season The crazy thing is that this offense scoring streak has had very little to do with Jose Abreu.

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 10m10 minutes ago Slumping LaRoche to sit out first 2 games at Fenway, Eaton at DH: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/82...n-series-fenway …

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) but and i hope this explain my point. if we, the ones who claims to be die hard fans, do we not have a right to b**** and moan and by comparison give the team praises, in any post on any give day?? are we suppose to not see what is happening, but to tell the lies and to avoid the truth. If you are upset over 35/55 years and STILL going back for more? The team isn't the problem.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) what is this idea that you shouldn't use a sport forum to do anything than what???? why can't we express anger??? are you the board policeman ??? jeez that was several times you mention this. But still a fraction of the "35 years!" posts. If you are really that miserable because of watching a game, yet have done it for 35 or 55 years, the problem isn't with the team.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) Oh man, that summer he was so bad. He was as shocked as anyone when he hit that. I wish I had a quarter for every trade proposal for Paul Konerko that summer.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2m2 minutes ago Robin Ventura and Rick Hahn talked and Jeff Samardzija is starting for #WhiteSox tomorrow as far as the manager knows. Now we see who is bluffing.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) I know it's inconvenient for you to offer up anything that might remotely resemble being critical of Sox ownership and management, but if you think pointing out the absolutely wretched record of achievement of this organization (only 5 playoff appearances over the past 55 years!) is simply me holding a grudge, then I don't know what to tell ya. If you are satisfied with the results of this half past century, then I also don't know what to tell ya. What I will tell you is that it's backwards thinking and flat out unfair to somehow blame the fans for this. The fans have certainly done their fair share to make Jerry Reinsdorf a very rich man over the past 35 years. He's come a long, long ways since his initial $20M investment. He's just come up way short on his part of the bargain, and there is no way to argue otherwise. In virtually every post, we are reminded of 35 years and/or 55 years. Yeah, that's not a grudge, lol. It is a virtual old man yelling at people to stay off his lawn, and talking about how good he had it in his day. And yet here you are, still complaining day after day after day about this franchise... after 35 years of disappointment. Apparently after 35 years of such a miserable existence, you are still here? You still haven't learned a lesson after 55 years? Sorry, who is the backwards thinker?

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) Who is a good comp to Anderson? At the absolute top end, Upton seems a good fit. Tons of raw talent, gonna take some work to get there. Odds are pretty low he ends up there.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:45 PM) I really enjoy that Cubs fans have gone from "holy cow, this is fun! Should they trade for David Price or Cole Hamels for their World Series push?!" to "Guys, we knew these rookies were going to struggle, the playoffs are still a year away" in a matter of a week. They'll be back to talking about the playoffs in a heartbeat if they win a game or two.

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 22m22 minutes ago Eaton thinks he should be back in outfield tomorrow. Feels much better. Hoped to go today. Was initially worried after he jammed shoulder.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:21 PM) Hasn't Williams implied that we're in Year 1 of this plan? This year, yes. I also believe that the idea we were in a three year plan that centered around rebuilding starting in 2013 is accurate, but we re-evaluated and started a new plan in 2015.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) Anderson is still pretty raw, right? I think it's too early to say he won't be able to be adequate defensively at SS. He certainly has the speed and athleticism for it. We don't really know yet. Raw, but improving in many areas.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) Intersting idea, but who knows if he could be elite offensively away from Coors. 2015 HOME .834 OPS AWAY .827 Career HOME .951 AWAY .819

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) What is this 3 year plan that Williams mentioned? That's the first time I heard it mentioned. Was Year 1 an aggressive free agent strike then? Any idea what that would mean for this off-season? It sure seems like then went for it this year, and it hasn't worked out (yet). How does resigning Samardzjia (or finding a replacement of similar quality) factor in? They never have detailed it for the media or general public.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) I feel like with his defense, Anderson won't be an MLB SS. Maybe 2B. In person reports are much higher on Anderson's defense this year.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Tulo who makes like $20 million you can talk about. Who is hurt a lot. Has played 86 games. But you dismiss Cargo and his 2 yr $37 million. He's hurt a lot too but has played 88 games this season. CarGo fits a need and can move Avi as part of the deal maybe. I didn't realize how bad his last few years had been either. Ugh. No way on both unless there is a lot of cash coming our way. A LOT.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) If anything, this is good for the Cubs that they got swept. Nobody with a working brain thought they were really ready to win this year. This year is all about development for them. The last thing they need to do is to dip into their cache to chase a second wc. You only have to read back through this thread.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:44 PM) On the rundown, they mentioned Chicago and Colorado as a match for Tulo or CarGo. CarGo is much more likely. Just funny he mentioned us as match and mentioned Tim Anderson. I wouldn't be happy with moving Andersom for Cargo. Honestly I don't have much interest in Tulo. Always hurt and still has a f***ing gigantic contract. Whereas, Cargo has 2 for $37 left. That's quite a bit for 2 years but I wouldn't mind nabbing him and having him split RF and DH. Wonder if a Garcia, Montas package is enticing to them at all. Unless the Rockies are picking up almost all of that contract, Cargo would be a horrible deal for the White Sox. Tulo, we can talk about.

I want to put something out there, because it seems it isn't as common of knowledge as I thought, but as long as Kenny Williams has been the White Sox GM, and until today, the White Sox have always had a 3 year plan. This isn't a new concept. There have always been stories about writers trying to figure out who is on Kenny's vaunted 3 year board.

Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 8m8 minutes ago Melky Cabrera has four straight multi-hit efforts. He is 9-for-17 with eight RBIs in that stretch Alexei Ramirez is hitting .304 with eight RBIs and one error in 19 games since July 1

The Cubs really missed a window to trade Castro last winter. There were teams like the Yankees really looking for a SS. Using hindsight, they blew it.

I think there is a lot of nitpicking for nitpicking sake. I obviously didn't mean that the 3 Cleveland starters were the #1/2/3 best starters in baseball. The point is the Sox beat up 3 really good starting pitchers, including the defending Cy Young award winner, over three straight days. The people pretending that we should have done that are missing the fact that no in else in baseball has really been able to do that this year.