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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) That said, under no scenario, could our farm system be rated as anything other then middle of the pack to slightly worse then middle of the pack. If you divide 100 player by the 30 teams, each team should have three guys in there (on average), as we do. I feel like average to slightly below average is fair. Bad is not.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) If EJ still qualified as a prospect where would he fall in the top 100? That is also a good point for the state of our farm system. We have Erik Johnson and Adrien Nieto who both would be rated guys in our system, who aren't in the majors, but don't have eligibility.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:31 PM) Anderson didn't play tonight.... I feel like this should be a much bigger deal.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:24 PM) Several radio guys after the game today mentioned multiple times that our farm system is "barren" and that we had nothing down there to trade. It might not be super deep or loaded, but we're definitely middle of the pack, right? The White Sox were just rated with 3 guys in the top 100 MLB prospects.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) I'd probably take the gamble on claiming him on the waiver wire. But I'm not sure about that, there'd be some deep conversations with scouts first. The talent is there. The first guy I would talk to would be Jeff Samardjiza who played with the guy from 2010 to 2014 and see what is really going on in his head and heart.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) Someone from the Tigers feeds him this "info" hoping to get more folks involved in talks for Price. Makes sense to me. Also very possible, and a vein that all local writers tweets should be viewed in. For example, notice that no one said anything about Erik Johnson being scratched a few days ago, then after we reported it, all of the local writers suddenly had the information that he was being moved to shadow Samardjiza.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 11:44 AM) Odd for a Tigers writer to tweet this for any purpose other than stirring s*** up. Because the out of town writers don't have to worry about things like pissing off an organization and losing access to coaches/players/stories, they can actually report these kind of things. The Chicago guys have to worry about pissing off their sources in the White Sox. I honestly believe better information comes from the out of town writers, versus the in town ones, because of these reason.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) I'd also be willing to bet that his dropoff has been more related to injury than anything else. The media has probably under reported that - the Herm interview was an exclusive for SSS and for some reason nobody else has noticed that key piece of information. Unless there are other articles out there, in which case I'm completely wrong. The big Chicago sports media just reports what they are told. They don't really ask questions or dig.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Who is this guy? Writer for the Detroit Free Press.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) Mike Trout?!? Say good bye to Chris Sale.

Maddon calling it "rest". Make of it what you will.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:57 AM) What is it? NO RAGRETS

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) But White Sox acquire Tulo and give pitching to the Jays. Not applying any logic, just going crazy used car salesman style here. Now that one actually makes a ton of sense. I don't know what I think about it, as I would need to see details, but on the surface it makes a ton of sense for both.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) Coop is well known to be more aggressive than conservative. You're right, it doesn't hurt to have another option, but if EJ comes up, that option to spot start should be Danks after a move to the bullpen. There is a big difference is using a spot starter and using a 6 man rotation like you advocated earlier. Especially when it comes to starters.

anthony fenech ‏@anthonyfenech 41m41 minutes ago White Sox will be buyers at the trade deadline, I'm told.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) Why don't you BOLD the ENTIRE sentence you SELECTIVELY bolded from that previous post of mine you included in your last post, and then explain how you are tragically trying to show how that statement, TAKEN IN ITS PROPER ENTIRETY AND CONTEXT, supports what you are claiming is my intended message in your bolded statement above. Go ahead. Do it. Then maybe we can conduct this conversation in a reasonable manner. The context is all there. You are keep trying to pull back to generations earlier and use it against the team, but then try to claim that you aren't using as a reason for 2015. It is trying to have it both ways. It is really obvious, even if you don't want to admit it. I honestly don't think you will ever be able to have a "reasonable" conversation on this topic, because the grudge and anger here seem to run really deep, which is why the same posts about 35 and 55 years ago keep coming up over and over and over again in so many other topics and threads. Referring back to the 1960's/70's/80's fan bases, in multiple conversations about attendance in 2015, but trying to claim they weren't about attendance in 2015 is disingenuous at best. You can rant and get angry all you want, but the point you were trying to make is obvious, even as you retreat from it because you see how absurd it is. If you didn't want to make the point, you wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place in the context that you did.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:56 PM) I never get the complaints about the hall of fame voting process. At the end of the day, it's BY FAR the most prestigious and selective hall of fame. The voting has kept it that way. Complain all you want but it's worked. The steroid era, and lack of direction from the HOF associated with it, has really f***ed things up. There is this giant block of players right now with suspicions over there head, there is no clear guidance on how to handle them. Honestly after seeing how poorly Selig handled this era, it is kind of fitting to see the HOF process get blown up as a fitting annual black eye to the biggest disaster during his tenure.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 01:20 AM) If Shark stays then here is what I would do. Also, I would not be mad if White Sox traded him for a quality return if they feel they can't win a wild card. 1. Put Danks into the pen. Bring up Erik Johnson. If you go for it you should bring up your best players. EJ is probably an upgrade over Danks at this point. They should not DFA Danks just in case Johnson has a similar problem adjusting like 2014. 2. I would do this trade. Spencer Adams, Montas and Garcia for Cargo. I know most people think this is a ton but they also overvalue their own prospects as well. Montas is probably a future closer. It remains to be seen if he will develop the command to pitch in the majors. Adams is the hard piece to let go as he could be a future number 2 in a rotation. That future still is a ways off and things can happen in the few years. The truth is you have 3 pitchers who you plan to have till 2019. If the plan is to sign Shark long term than that leaves one rotation spot. The White Sox would figure to put both Fullmer and Johnson ahead of Montas or Spencer at this point. I would miss Spencer but I just don't see them doing a deal without him in it. Gonzalez would give the Sox something that have not had in awhile which is a left handed bat that can be in the middle of the order. The fact is this team still has a lack of quality position players both on the current roster and minor leagues. 3. I love Carlos Sanchez as I think he really does give you a major league at bat. I believe he could hit .300 one day and is a solid defender. I would consider bringing up Micah but only if you saw positive improvement on the defensive end. 4. Just a general comment. This team will not go anywhere unless Alexi improves his play. These two are outdated to be honest. Sanchez has been hitting, and has a 10 game hitting streak. He has a positive WAR on the season (0.4) and a nice dWAR for not having been on the team all season long at 0.6. Over the last month Sanchez has seen his batting average go up 63 points, his slugging go up 152 points, and his OBP go up 99 points. Those numbers look even more amazing if you trace back to Sanchez's lowest parts of the season. Alexei has been hitting recently, and has looked like his old self in the field, probably for at least a month now. To put it another way, his dWAR which had bottomed out at -1.5, is now at a positive 0.3. That means he has had a 1.8 dWAR over a relatively short period of time. That 1.8 number would match his defensive seasons of 2013 and 2014, combined. He has even pushed his overall WAR to a positive 0.1 for the entire season.

Jennings has had one outing where he gave up 30% of the runs he has given up this year. For the most part he has been serviceable as the 6th or 7th man in the pen. As Jones advances, there is a decent change we won't see Jennings anymore.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) LOL - what in the Sam h-e-double-toothpick are you talking about! Honestly, in your fervor to superficially bash the fans every chance you get, you seem to lose the ability to process what people post around here. I've never once reached back to 1960 to find a reason for why a Sox fan today might not tune into or attend a game of the 2015 team. The performance of this year's team has given them ample reason to stay away. When I bring up Reinsdorf's horrendous record as owner of the Sox during these past 35 years that have very little to show in terms of achievement, and even worse (as if possible, but it is!), the combined records of the Veeck/Allyn ownerships dating back to 1960, it's to explain why we don't have the robust fan base today one would expect a large market team to have. The putrid results of the last 55 years, including the 35 years of the most recent owner, have been less than desirable. Unless I'm wrong about that, SS2K. Is my assessment of the Reinsdorf years wrong, or that of the past 55 years? Because if I am wrong, please! Explain to me the error of my ways - provided your explanation doesn't include a misguided and inaccurate blaming of the fans. That dog won't hunt. QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 07:51 PM) The only thing feeble here is your reading and comprehension capabilities. I have never said, NOT ONCE, that what happened in the year 1960 is having an impact on the year 2015. When I bring 1960 up in any context, it is to state that it's the starting point of a very poor 55 YEAR RUN for our franchise, a run where we've only made it to the postseason five times. I am commenting on a period of time and not one year. It supports the greater narrative as to why the Sox have struggled with attention for the past half century. Every post I've made on this topic has been crystal clear on this point. For you to continually twist my words and regurgitate a wholly inaccurate version of what I said is really unfortunate and quite sad on your part. Yes, every post you have made has been very clear. Fans aren't going to games today because we didn't go to the enough playoffs in the 1960's.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) I'm calling the unprecedented 75 page game thread tonight. That equates to a 10-1 Boston win, with about 4 errors.

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 2m2 minutes ago Ventura on starting Bonifacio, Beckham. "You have to keep those guys fresh and get them in there. Today [vs lefty] is a good day to do that"

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Yes they can stand pat. And it's probably the right move. They have a chance, but it's small and it's for a 1 game wildcard. That's not enough to "go for it" but it is enough to keep Shark and take the comp pick v. the returns. Unless the returns are great, I tend to follow this line of thought. From all talk, big returns are for hitters, or pitchers with longer control. We are dealing neither. Unless the return is greater than what we can gain from say the #30 pick in the draft (including the chance at going underslot to bring in more players later) you don't make a deal.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) I was just thinking it had been one post I wrote that you didn't bother to respond to with some pithy little comment. It's annoying and detracts from any real conversation. You're Skip Bayless level trolling me. Seriously, do I need to re-register under a new name so that you don't feel the need to quote and respond with your "I think the opposite" response to literally every single one of my posts that you read? Of all the things written on here you think "butt buddy" is worthy of pointing out? You need to seriously relax on my posts. In fact, I've tried to ignore you so I don't have to deal with it but you can't ignore admins. Go figure. How hard would it have been, if the post really offended you, to PM me and take it down? But that's not your style I guess you'd rather just fling s*** or take things out of context. I'd much rather you just didn't post unnecessary gay jokes. If you felt it was OK to publicly post, then yes, I needed to point it out. It wouldn't really matter what screen name you used, if someone else had posted the term "butt buddy" they would have gotten the same response. Terms like that demean anything intelligent that could have been said, and pretty much invalidates it. It has long been Soxtalk policy to not be a place that allows a few to demean entire groups of people just because a few might happen to look down on them. If that is too difficult, you are in the wrong place.

It would be interesting to talk to Guerrero of the Dodgers and see if a trade were executed, if you could get him to wave his free agency/release clause in his contract in exchange for a reasonable assurance of playing time.