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Yolmer Sanchez didn't get cut as a 2.0 WAR player. He got cut when he was replacement level player after both his offense and defense fell off, probably mainly due to health.

hahaha, ok man. I guess you really need this. Here you go. I think you are WAY over simplifying this. A 1B's bat isn't "undervalued". It is placed in an appropriate context of a group of players from the same position. Then adjustment is made recognizing that both offensive and defensive skills occur at different average amounts in different positions. By this same argument a 1B's glove would also be "overvalued" because it is much easier to stand out defensively in a position that doesn't provide much defensive value. The comparison to other positions isn't equal either, because if you took a SS and started playing them at 1B, then they would also see the same positional adjustments and their WAR would adjust accordingly. You can't just take any minor leaguer and replace them. That's not what this does. It's a "replacement" player, not any player out on the street, and that replacement player has it's own definition.

It is by far to the best attempt out there to give quality measurements to all aspects of a baseball game, and not just the historic counting statistics. We have so much more data to look at in 2025, why choose to understand less? I guess if you want to live the simple life.

Well that clears that up. Thanks.

Actually what you did was just make a great argument for player position adjustments, without even knowing it. I was wondering if you did it on purpose, but apparently not.

Any stat that depends on something else is by definition "subjective". So when WAR is dimissed, but RBI are held up a statistical foundations, the argument holds no water.

This assumes all players are way more interchangeable than they actually are in the description of "best". Yankees best player is probably either Cole or Judge. You could never play them at SS, otherwise you would destroy your defense, and probably even your offense in the name of Cole. By playing them in SP and RF, respectively, you maximize their skillset to what a position asks of them best.

Unless they are all working together to not be competitive, that isn't collusion, that is coincidence.

If the argument is arbitrary, this gets a whole lot easier, as even RBI are arbitrary and flawed, which is a commonly held view, which is what led to more comprehensive analysis to get to things like WAR and RC+. Not wanting to understanding advanced stats also seems to be a pretty widely held view.

OK buddy. Instead of you wasting a bunch more of my time again, if they sell for $1.5 billion in the future, you come back and keep that anger strong. Bookmark this post and keep dwelling on it.

If we are going to speak in absurdity and absolutely, it isn't going to be a real discussion. Yes defense can be just an important as offense. Hitting a homer can be canceled out by letting a baseball go by you because you don't have range, or not having the arm to throw someone out. A run is a run, no matter how it is scored, or even prevented. Your argument would be that a guy like Ozzie Smith was basically worthless because he didn't hit homers and put up RBIs.

You've gone soft.

Your choices are working for Tom Brady or the Bears. I know who I am choosing.

You literally got political. Great work.

Without a Magglio Ordonez or a Carlos Lee, what are we spending to add to, exactly?

Probably because you still don't understand the stat and get told so routinely. Players are more than HR and RBI. Defense, baserunning, etc, matter.

It is a great point that the White Sox effectively have zero debt on their books.

Ad naseum.

A great example was the Mets. They overbid their market value by somewhere around $500 million, and yet today they are worth ANOTHER $500 million over that inflated number.

Judging by the extreme premiums happening for franchise purchases vs Forbes valuations in recent years, I would posit a sale price more like 3 billion versus 1.5.

They were somewhere just short of 2 billion dollars wrong.

Take a guess at what the White Sox were worth after the 2005 season, and then get back to me as to why he didn't sell.

Apparently Rick Hahn and Marco Paddy were brilliant for leaving so much room in this bonus pool...

And hopefully they put themselves into the middle of this by offering cap space for players too.

This is the most Jerry response yet. I am smarter than you, so stfu.