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It was quite literally published TODAY.

All of what we know about the White Sox is hearsay from somewhere. Zero of us have first hand knowledge of what is happening. Despite the claim, none of us have direct or specific knowledge of anything here, and are all inferring from secondary and tertiary sources. None of what you tell us on a daily basis about how good things are is scientific, peer reviewed, statistically significant, direct knowledge, or anything else, yet you offer it up at without all of the discounting of the information for the lack of that rigor. Can we at least pretend that this is no different than any other information presented here?

Do we really want a page where we are only allowed to post what is approved by some random standard? Like we can't read something non-positive because it has been decided that all is well? Come on. This is exactly what I am talking about with an echo chamber.

They didn't post only negative comments. The only comments which contained Sox related information were negative. This is just as anecdotal as watching what is happening the dugout or listening to guys whose careers depend on the Sox liking them. But those don't get invalidated for lack of a scientific process, I wonder why.

The initial post was just the information. The follow up post was after the reactions, and doesn't disqualify the information provided. What you are missing is that the things you are talking about aren't separate issues, and very connected. And the fact that other teams have issues doesn't change the Sox having issues. Putting an additional burden on the people participating in a poll is an odd way to try to invalidate their opinions, but sure. It's kind of the "but what was she wearing" school of thought, that I can't subscribe to.

Honestly? You are absolutely right. I should learn my lesson here.

I know the kool aid is popular right now. I get it. Everyone wants to believe after wandering in the dark for so long. I am wanting to see that something is fundamentally different about the last three years, and going forward. It's a red flag to me that we still seem the same things being said about this franchise. Are the guys having fun playing the game? Obviously. But we are still seeing the same underlying issues from any outside reporting. At the very least, I would expect someone to say that this was a good place to play, but literally no one did, and why? Because the Sox are still cutting corners pretty much everywhere outside of public view, and even in full public view of the payroll. Maybe Chris Getz can win inspite of this where only Kenny Williams has been able to do so, but it lessens my optimism for the future.

I expected debate and feedback, fully. Or at least I hoped for it.

I didn't expect this to offend people, but here we are I guess. It's sad to see Soxtalk turning into an echo chamber where people only want to hear their opinions reflected back at them. The best days of Soxtalk were the days where different opinions were debated heartily.

We are really close to three years out now from "The Change". At worst, I would expect the leading indicator to be current Sox players having good things to say, even if the negative reputation hasn't gone away around the league. So far that doesn't seem to be happening.

Again, zero votes on the good side, and ranking 4th worst with 21 votes on the bad side. With 73 votes counted, that means about 30% spoke negatively of the Sox. The emphasis again was the team not investing in the players, infrastructure, and taking care of the players. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7382921/2026/06/24/mlb-player-poll-desired-destinations-teams/?unlocked_article_code=1.slA.WiIU.UPj_7gZT_XBo&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta&fbclid=IwY2xjawSo1s1leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFUOFh6Y3RGdERFdVZWeWlTc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHiuTZiFi1E-ThJAvO_O2TEw2yXJ9OEZ5QcMSbdeFvcA4hTxRsVz-S108jVYZ_aem_EZqVE7H5LaqtBEj387kkEw

That's not really how illness works.

Respect is earned. When you drop a google definition of private equity you are opening the insults up. Don't expect it, if you aren't willing to give it.

It's a private transaction. Do you expect them to publish the contracts? Absurd. Be "concerned" all you want, but your information rotates between misleading, false, lies, and damned lies, and thus will be challenged.

And looking at fangraphs, his defense isn't viewed much better...

In 575 PAs or just over a seasons worth, he is... .245 .309 .320 .629

Like I said a couple of months ago, Quero's value isn't that much. Back up, back of the roster catchers essentially are somewhere between cash considerations to DFA priced guys on the open market. Look no further than the guy who did remain on the roster in Romo.

Again, this is exactly the ownership structure the White Sox have had since 1980. The only preposterous things being proposed are that the scary nightmare scenarios aren't already happening today. -Jerry owned less than 20% of the team when it was purchased, meaning 80% of the purchase price was leveraged from other investors, while Jerry maintained full power and control. -Jerry had not one, but two baseball stadiums built to get his team into a market, not as his expense, but at taxpayers expense. -Jerry's group is the only franchise in the history of MLB who has yet to award a player a $100 million contract, and has multiple hall of fame candidates, such as Harold Baines, Frank Thomas, Chris Sale, etc either allowed to walk away in free agency, or traded so Jerry wouldn't have to pay them out of his own pocket. Jerry’s group ran up a reported 9 figure debt, including a reported 6 straight seasons of deficits, all while running one of the smallest and cheapest operations in baseball, with the majority of that time spent cutting expenses so Jerry wouldn't have to spend his own money. It got so bad, Jerry had to beg Ishbia to NOT buy the Twins and put up an emergency capital infusion in exchange for the option to buy the team in a complicated and manipulated sales set up primarily for tax avoidance so Jerry can (recognize the theme here yet) not spend his own money. But please continue to threaten us with things that Jerry has been doing for almost 50 years with the White Sox.

So she's better than Schiff...

Son, some of us don't need google to understand what Private Equity is, nor to realize the Sox have been a PE shop since 1980.

Wait, did you expect him to give Jerry $100 million dollars out of the kindness of his heart? Of course he is getting something in return. What world do you live in?

I mean none of this has been hidden. It is all out there.

It didn't happen in 24, but it did happen in 2025.

It was right there in the purchase announcement? How silo'd are you? The White Sox have been losing money this entire decade, and have been taking out loans to do it. https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-announce-long-term-ownership-investment-agreement https://www.forbes.com/sites/jessesilvertown/2025/06/09/chicago-white-sox-transaction-is-a-dispute-in-waiting/

They probably get him to 75-80 pitches in his next start, which gets him pushing 100 like usual for the following start.