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Again, not just the stats, but all of that in depth analytical work they should have done on him, his swing speed, his launch angles, etc, etc,, and not just from one side of the plate, but both. It also should have contained the analytics about what they feel they could fix in his swing to get him to realize whatever ceiling they see the guy as having. The guy signing off on this deal HAS to be involved in this stuff in excruciating detail if he is really signing off on this stuff, otherwise why is he here? There should be no forgetting what these guys are if you are to the point you are approving trading Luis Robert for them. You might have the underlyings doing the work of gathering the data and creating the analytics, but it is your job to have studied it and understand it in order to decide on a deal.

One of the supposedly massive changes that was supposed to have just happened was all of this new information and player analytics. It was supposed to be where we were investing money instead of the active roster. In theory, the guy signing off on a trade would have had this information to analyze and discuss with all of the amazing new hires where they would have kicked around things like expected output from each side of the plate, as well as what the franchise sees that they could do to, let's say, "fix" Acuna into a guy that realizes his potenial, again from both sides of the plate. This is supposedly the stuff that was fixed by firing the people who have been fired in the last couple of years. Yet still, not once, not twice, not three times, and actually four times, the man at the top of the depth chart made a really glaring mistake, and apparently was not once challenged INTERNALLY, or by the Sox media, but was questioned enough by outside social media to where outside sports media picked this story up, before it was FINALLY addressed by Sox media and the Sox. We still don't have a single detail about how this happened, and what affect, if any, it had on this post season and trade. But haha, Chris Getz made a mistake and that's it. No more questions. Done. Over. Its the same old Sox, even with a different name on the door.

We do have a hole to fill without Clevinger in camp.

And media on a leash that doesn't challenge themselves enough to ask the obvious follow up questions, and instead just parrots what they were told. Good boys.

Or even a breakdown of all of these statistical analytics we have been hearing about, plugged through our new analytics department, with breakouts of performance, and expected gains from the right and left side being detailed in front of him so as to judge what Acuna will look like in a year, two years, three years, etc. There should have been a ton of data on the players we were looking at, which was double/triple checked by everyone up and down the pipeline, complete with staff discussions up and down the lines from scouts to Getz and back again, so that all details are covered and NOT confused. Where were the fail safes here?

The guy signing off on trades repeating the same thing 4 times, no one correcting him, and then laughing about it doesn't give me a lot of hope for all of this "change" that we keep hearing about. It means over the course of time, either no one approached Chris to correct him, Chris is so isolated that no one could tell him, or that the entire group thought the same thing so no one would have corrected him. I am not sure why the first option would happen, especially since we know the Sox monitor their press for perceived reactions, so if was an honest mistake, you would think someone would approach him for when he said it at least the 2nd time, even if for some reason they blew off the first one. The 2nd and 3rd mean that despite moving chairs around on the Titanic, it's the same mom and pop amatuer hour that it always has been. I don't think we can make the assumption that this trade wasn't affected if the guy up top didn't realize exactly what he was getting, Did the fact Getz thought Acuna was a switch hitter up his value in the Sox eyes? Did they settle for a lesser 2nd piece, or not a 3rd piece because of this? It's not a leap of faith at all to think the perceived value of Acuna was enhanced because we thought he was a switch hitter. I know in letting this be a "joke", instead of having a media that asks some decent follow up questions to this, we will never get any next level answers, but thus is Soxfandom.

Not to mention Kenny Williams is still mocked to this day for a couple of his dumber mistakes.

Ope.

Your name calling started before that point. That was a reply to your post, and not an initiation, as you used the terms "unfair", "bitter", "spin", "purposefully dishonest", and "doesn't understand". People in cults tend to call anyone who questions them, or their leader, all sorts of names, not in an effort to disprove their point, but to invalid THEM. If you would like to go back to a baseball based conversation, that's fine, but you aren't going to gaslight me into silence when you come out swinging.

I would have settled for the statistical discussion I was trying to have, but that wasn't going to happen.

All hail Getz.

Yes, my usage of stats and being called a liar and unfair derailed this thread. I will not make that mistake again.

Which is exactly where the phrase "Coop will fix him" came from. His ability to get guys to come out of no where and be just as good as they were. No Russian's were consulted in this post.

I am sure. That seems to be the case with anyone who isn't falling in line.

Which was the exact point. Am I supposed to be impressed by a guy doing exactly what he is always done, except for one bad year? Oh. Ok. Wow. Amazing. We are as good as everyone else. We will be .500 in no time.

This is really what this victory lap is over? Getting a guy back to his career norms? Oh, ok. I guess when I read "fixed" it meant better than he had been, not the same. I guess that mean you "win" congratulations. And yes, it has become a cult. Disagree and the insults start flying, which is exactly what happened here. It turned from talking about a dudes stats to name-calling, and then you got mad when you got it back. You really are only allowed to have one opinion here anymore. Even sticking to stats it turned into this.

I bet about half of the league just called the Tigers about Skubal.

He put up almost the exact same season wide numbers. How is that unfair when compared to slicing out pieces that do work? We are looking at 79 ABs one season, 160 the next, which worked out almost identically overall, and you are mad we are not boiling it down even further to look only at one subset of his performance in which he put up 224/.290/.435/.726/, which is actually below his career line vs LHP with his .267/.357/.430/.787, and yet I am being unfair. This is turning into a cult.

Bonita's proposal revolved around the north end of town near the toll road.

Austin Slater, you know the last guy being discussed before the insults started.

Reality is going from an 2024 OPS+ of 98 to a 2025 of 100 is being "fixed", when he has a career average of.... wait for it... 100? His actual OPS was .721 with a career average of.... .720. Looks to me like they got exactly what they paid for to me, which is a good deal in recent years.

Jerry: Nods approvingly.

Go figure. Indiana popped up, and Illinois figured it out.

Mostly that you didn't really answer the question, you asked the question you wanted to answer, and answered it instead, after catching a tone about the question daring to be asked in the first place.

In a question asked about who they FIXED, you gave four guys that haven't yet taken a swing in anger for the Chicago White Sox.