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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) They're a unique employee group. edit: employee-owned syndicates and co-ops might have higher profit-sharing models, not sure. That is also a completely different ownership structure. I was operating under the assumption of an ownership being separate from employee situation.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Lost may have phrased it wrong, but the point stands: NFL teams wouldn't generate any revenue without the players. Why shouldn't they be entitled to a large share of the profits since they're the ones putting their bodies and health on the line and actually bringing the fans in? The players were happy to play under the old agreement, but the owners wanted to end that agreement and hold on to an extra couple billion dollars. Anything offered by the owners that was short of the previous agreement meant that the players would be getting less of a share than they did before. Demanding an extra 2 billion and then coming back and saying "oh, ok, we'll only take an extra billion off the top!" isn't a good deal for the players. The owners refuse to justify crying poor, so the players rightfully resisted giving up a share of the profits. The other side of that is true as well. The players wouldn't have a damned thing unless the owners put up the capital to fund the NFL, and its teams, in the first place. And IIRC they are already getting a much larger share of the revenues than pretty much any other business model on the planet, versus any other "employee" group.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) Swisher.... 1) Was closer the true athletic prime of his career....younger than Dunn 2) Moving from one of the worst hitters' parks in baseball to one of the best 3) Moving to an easier division for pitching (or comparable) rather than changing NL to AL NICK SWISHER OPS 2006 .865 2007 .836 2008 .742 2009 .869 2010 .870 Isn't there a pretty big statistical anomaly there? We gave up a huge package of players to get Swisher, arguably more than we were willing to give up last summer for Dunn (Jackson + Viciedo). It is also worth mentioning that Swisher didn't have those three extra years when we traded for him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 10:04 AM) Gotta feeling this one's gonna be a slugfest. Hopefully Buehrle can get through 6 innings relatively in tact, because that may be all it takes to win. If that happens, the bright side is that the pen is well rested.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) Swisher.... 1) Was closer the true athletic prime of his career....younger than Dunn 2) Moving from one of the worst hitters' parks in baseball to one of the best 3) Moving to an easier division for pitching (or comparable) rather than changing NL to AL NICK SWISHER OPS 2006 .865 2007 .836 2008 .742 2009 .869 2010 .870 Isn't there a pretty big statistical anomaly there? We gave up a huge package of players to get Swisher, arguably more than we were willing to give up last summer for Dunn (Jackson + Viciedo). Now look at Dunn's numbers. Dunns worst year of .855 in 2006 is the only that Swishers best years pass up. He is also WAY more consistant.

Very nice. Thanks CC. It would be really sweet to get Crawford done in the $3 million per range, and then have about $5 million to get the rest of the team done.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) An entire CD of Irish drinking songs about cats. Sounds like something Wayne Brady and Ryan Stiles should doing.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 26, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) They don't need to be royal. b****es love weddings, period. And just wait until the babies start coming...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 12:30 AM) I figured someone would make a run at Sizemore as well, but I knew they would never trade him to us unless we basically gave them a package they knew no one else could touch...and I'm not even sure they would have dealt him to us then. I wonder if some of the whispers about the Indians being a steroid-centric team hurt that market?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 01:17 AM) I think he's referencing the "plus" part of that, though perhaps he's also viewing that as some of the higher priced tickets not being sold as well. Im not sure what his logic is there. Either way, if they lose $15 million that they were counting on putting towards a Pujols package, they are going to be hurt quite severely by that. It may not discourage them entirely because they'll draw more people as it is, but they are still feeling the ramifications of giving a stupid nine figure contract to a player, I don't know why they'd go back to that well again. I get that Pujols is the best player of our generation, but it's still a scary proposition giving him any sort of ridiculously long-term deal. For anything past say 5 or 6 years, it is just stupid. I don't care who it is.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 07:56 AM) Just came in here to post how nice it was to see D-Rose hit those shots. Hopefully it gives him some confidence heading into the next round. Confidence is one thing you never have to worry about with Rose.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 08:04 AM) An impossibly ridiculous amount of years and money to be dealt. He's a Hawk for the duration of that contract. That's kind of where I was going there... Unless we get something equally as bad back, I can't see us getting someone to take him. Anyways, any rumblings on where the cap will be next year? It could kill the Hawks if it contracts.

the Comcast SportsNet +2 experience was horrible. That was the worst picture and sound I might have ever seen. It was bad even for standard definition. The sound felt like it was coming out of a shoebox. I really think they were using mono. I hope we never have that happen again.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 07:52 AM) You mean "Buehrle's Perfecto". Sure, but I would have hoped at least on Soxtalk I wouldn't have to add that part!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 08:03 AM) I'm not so sure you can say they were unlucky with the Peavy and Rios moves. Those were huge gambles 95% of other GM's wouldn't have taken. Same thing with signing Teahen to the long-term deal when it wasn't even necessary (perhaps the ending hasn't been written to that move). If Dunn doesn't produce this year, it will be blamed on his adjusting to a new league, better competition, pitchers with different tendencies of attacking hitters vis a vis the NL, health problems, etc. So far, they've been pounding him with fastballs ever since the microsurgery, but the odds of that HAVE to turn around at some point, don't they? Of all the gambles which went against us, the one with a similar probability of working out (but didn't) had to be Nick Swisher's 2008 offensive flop and resulting alienation from the entire organization, from Guillen on down. Nick Swisher had the same odds of working out as Adam Dunn? That's just crazy talk. His career highs don't even hit an average Dunn year in the power numbers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 07:48 AM) If Adam Dunn doesn't come out of it, then the White Sox are simply the unluckiest team in baseball. No other way to say it. I know baseball is a funny game and all, but how many guys are more consistant than Adam Dunn? He hasn't been below 150 games, 38 homers or 92 RBI since 2003. Only one of those years did he have an OPS of less than .889, and that was even .855. There aren't many things you can count on in baseball but unless Dunn really hurts himself, you can pretty much bank on his numbers going toward his career norms. His standard deviation between seasons is tiny in relative terms.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 06:58 AM) Unfortunately, I didn't see either of Lillibridge's catches live, but the pounding of the turf, Santos' reactions as well as Jeter (he had to be saying something like "you've got to be s***--- me" or words to that effect) and A-Rod too, simply priceless. I agree the ball hit by Orlando Palmeiro might have been the most memorable...but I still think the play into the stands before that was equally important. I like the part where Jeter looked at the Home Plate ump and all he could say was "Wow." last night. That was great.

D-Wise for perfecto. The closing speed, the athletism of the leap, and then the guts to keep that ball caught after smashing into the wall. Add to that the situation? No contest for me. Don't get me wrong, there are some incredible plays on here, but for the total package, you have to get Wise.

The Stealth Elf is stealthy like that...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 03:25 AM) FanGraphs did a little bit last year for (I think) a Chris Young start where he went 6 shutout innings but Will Venable made two ridiculous plays that saved about 3-4 runs total. They suggested, only half seriously, that some sort of WPA needs to be devised to indicate defensive prowess as well. On that note, after Teixeira walked, the Yankees win expectancy was 36.1%. Since Santos retired the next two batters, he was awarded .361 WPA to his total. You may as well count that towards Lillibridge's number for the year because if Quentin or really anybody else is in RF for those two plays, the Sox lose this game. That was extremely clutch defense. Those two plays were pretty much the equivalent of hitting a game winning 2 run homer. That is a great way of looking at it. The arguments this year have centered around the little things costing a game here and there, but in this case, Brent Lillibridge has given the Sox two wins so far this year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 07:27 AM) I didn't realize all the owners made their billions from their NFL franchises. Yeah, he has got you there.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 12:51 AM) We matched up very poorly against the Pacers. They had George and another F doubling Rose. Only Granger is a factor on offense so they could go max intensity on Rose. Hibbert caused problems underneath, too. The Heat don't have anything like that. They're not going to put Wade and James on Rose, they'd get tired too quickly, and they don't have the bench to make up for it so it'd cost them offense. Boston doesn't really have the answer either, although we are more evenly matched against them, and they don't have Perkins anymore. Atlanta is a total mismatch, I wouldn't be surprised if that ended in a sweep. Orlando is not particularly scary either. Stop them from killing you with threes, which the Bulls can do without that much difficulty, and it doesn't matter if Howard scores 45, they don't have anything else. They will for stretches. If Miami is smart they will mix it up on Rose to keep guys fresh.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 12:37 AM) Pretty devastated. Chris Campoli, WTF. Re-sign Crawford tomorrow. Give him whatever he wants. Try your best to dump Campbell and shore up the D. How many years does Soupy have left? 4?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 27, 2011 -> 12:11 AM) They waited until 80-something games into the season to start playing like the defending champs. 85 to be exact. Well hopefully we can retain the core if the salary cap numbers posted were accurate. We have got to find a way to keep Crawford around, and then go from there. I don't think the Hawks have to worry as much about upgrades as they have to worry about getting guys healthy and having some of the prospects emerge. They have this great system full of kids from all of those great draft picks and guys they brought in the trades, now it is time for them to pay off. That is how the Hawks can get back on top next year. The window is still wide open for these guys, they just have to climb into it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 26, 2011 -> 08:42 PM) So Grady Sizemore looks to have regained some of his magic. Always thought a team should have tried to trade for him when he was hurt and go with high risk/high reward player. The Sox are the one team that targets guys to buy low...