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QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 06:37 PM) Jonathan Toews ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:19 AM) But would you REALLY want to bring back Jon Garland to Chicago at a price tag of $12 million or higher? Based on last season, in what isn't exactly a hitter's park, especially at night? Maybe? I guess it's a possibility, considering he wouldn't cost a draft pick, but KW keeps hammering away at the point that it's possible to get much better production out of a 4/5 starter for considerably less than Vazquez's $11.5 million last year. Well, I guess if Jamie Moyer is asking for $20 million over 2 years at his age, almost anything is possible. Judging by the low bids for free agents this year, I get the feeling that Jon Garland isn't going to get even $10 million per season this off season.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:56 AM) I think Crede is going to be a huge bust for whoever he signs with. And I still havent heard anything about this deal which makes me think that someone leaked this to the media because of another deal. It doesn't even have to be something devious. Its easy to see someone in Homer Bailey's camp excited blurting this out to the wrong person, or telling someone in confidence because he is ready to get a fresh start in a new organization.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:45 AM) This team will be better in some areas for 2009, but KW is obviously planning a refresh of talent, which is the right direction for this club. Also this deal isnt a 1 for 1, it most definately includes other players from their side. We are heading in the right direction, there is no doubt in my mind. I would just hate to see JD leave on a personal level. I am a big fan of his, but can recognize when this makes the name on the front of the jersey better, and ultimately that is my #1 choice.

I missed quoting the post, but whoever said I'd be happy if the deal is done, and happy if it wasn't was spot on. We would be a better team for 2010 and beyond for sure, maybe even 2009 depending on how Bailey bounced back. I would hate to see JD go as he has been a 100% class act his whole time here. He has gone about his business as an absolute professional no matter what.

Happy Birthday

Ah, glad to hear this burden is off of our backs. Now we can really get into the Winter Meetings with a completely open slate.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:39 PM) Fields, Dye and at least $6 million for Bailey and Encarnacion... Source or speculation?

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) dude on WSI says rumor says that encarnacion is in on the deal but we may have to pay half JDs salary...take that FWIW...which is probably very little edit: fixed for accuracy Wow. That would be a huge winner for the Sox.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) According to Cowley Jermaine Dye's agent has yet to hear anything about a trade from the Sox and KW isn't talking to the media. If Kenny isn't talking, this is a done deal.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) I don't think KW would do anything without being apprised of Cabrera's decision. As mentioned, it was "completed" before the WM even started...apparently. We needed another pitcher, everyone knows that, and Bailey is a better risk than Edwin Jackson IMO. This is a trade that KW has had his eye on for a long time, and independent of the SS situation. And the fact that it happened when the story leaked about the arbitration status getting out is very telling IMO.

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) Cowley has been throwing the names of Hudson and Figgins around since at least the middle of last season. Acquiring both players made a whole lot of sense, but you can argue that neither makes sense right now. I still like Figgins though. How good has Cowley been at historically projecting who the Sox will go after? I'll be honest, I don't remember anyone significant being in a JC column who ended up with the Sox.

Wow. I really didn't think this would happen after the last couple of trades. The Sox have to have another move up their sleeve, because they can't go into next year with most of their most marketable players gone. They will have a hard time selling this if they don't figure out a way to plug some other holes. And I will be really pissed off if this move was forced by Cabrera coming back to the Sox.

I don't believe anyone in the Sox organization ever mentioned Hudson. It was all writers speculation.

They babied him the whole time he was here until the very last week of the regular season. The only negativity was from his preformances.

QUOTE (MAX @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) I didn't. hell some people were ready to quit the board over it...

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 03:03 PM) Hey would you look at that, I sort of almost changed somebody's mind. Without even trying. I am always willing to listen. If you don't listen, you don't learn new things. I would have never known about the change in the pension plans status.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:38 PM) Agreed. I don't care how big of a jery Avery is, to suspend him 6 games over that comment is absolutely pathetic. Btw, the Blackhawks are the "clubhouse leaders" (along with the Flyers) to acquire Mats Sundin according to the Denver Post. http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2008/12/04/sundin-or-no/ Thoughts? Wow this would be incredible.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:32 AM) This is a comment which is embarrassing to Soxtalk particularly, and Internet message boards in general. YOU, SIR, ARE HEREBY SUSPENDED FOR SIX DAYS FROM SOXTALK!!!! Speaking of Soxtalk embarassments... we need to talk.

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QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) Offering arbitration was the right move. If it backfires, Cabrera can still be moved - even later in the offseason. All these teams that are saying they don't need shortstops or are "seriously considering signing Adam Everett" might start panicking when they get to spring training and see some of these guys hit. Cabrera is still a top 15 shortstop. Not to mention he could also be moved during spring training when someone gets hurt.

Good. I hope they take him down, all with the entire Illinois Machine. They need to clean the whole state out.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:55 AM) I think that's why people are hesitating to buy from the Big 3. They're scared their warranty will be useless if the company goes out of business 2 months after they purchase the car. Another misnomer. ALL auto sales are down, and remarkably all by about the same percentage. If that were a real fear, the other automakers wouldn't be experiencing the same types of losses. http://www.time.com/time/business/article/...1863685,00.html

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) If Congress elects not to do an auto bailout, or does only a very small one... then you can bet the long term plan is for them to wait until GM goes bankrupt, and then put guarantees on their exit financing. If GM goes bankrupt, they will get financed. That is how I would envision it. The auto comanies, minus the legacy costs, are still a profitable business, especially if they can get some wage concessions from the unions in a bankruptcy. If we are talking about long term health for the industry, I believe bankruptcy is the best way. I don't have as big of a problem with the bailout now that I know about the unions taking over the pension plans, but it still isn't the way I would prefer to see things go.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 10:53 AM) I see a distinct difference between the auto companies and steel or airlines, though. Those items don't come with 5-10 year warranties like an automobile does. I think the fear (whether rational or not) that GM won't be around in 6 months will keep most people from choosing them when shopping for a new car. Flight tickets are a much smaller expenditure and, while it may be a huge inconvenience, your airline going bankrupt isn't going to effect you for years to come. With steel, you buy it, and you're done. You couldn't care less if they're around in a week because you have your material. OK, how about the home builders in bankruptcy that still have people buying houses from them?