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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) I must be the only one on this site that makes less than $250K. It's amazing how much outrage there is here. Give it a break. You don't have to be in a group to understand the value of that group to society. Its like saying you have to be black to care about minority rights, or homosexual to care about gay marriage.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 01:27 PM) What he may have been saying is what do the poor owe to the people who are actually paying thier taxes, funding their schools, etc.? Don't they owe society something? What is their obligation for being on the receiving end of this redistribution? Pretty much. But ranting an answer that had nothing to do with the question was pretty entertaining.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 01:01 PM) OK so let's cut off the lower class. Charge them for everything and basically run them into financial extinction, it doesn't really end up changing anything. You know as well as I that there will always be a lower, middle and upper class in a Capitalist or Socialist society; so if you you make the poor even poorer somebody is going to have to get knocked down a peg to take their spot. This has a bit of a domino effect on everyone because as wealth polarizes more you lose more wealth in the middle class. What do you think happens when 75% of the country is too poor to afford the pay-as-you-go government schooling? You get an unskilled, uneducated and generally bad workforce. At the very least the government's role in all this is to keep the classes from losing ground all at once, if you take away their capacity to do that we'll end up with what amounts to a Feudal society. Sounds like pre-capitalistic China to me.

QUOTE (Steff @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 01:04 PM) She did ISR or swim lessons? They are not the same thing. Yeah, stratch that... I didn't realize they meant alone! No she did the lessons with Ang. Wow.

Madison did it before our YMCA closed, and both mom and baby loved it. I wish we could go it with Alexis.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 12:15 PM) I look at it differently, do we really want to live in the country that the poorest among us can build? Are those the schools we want? The roads? The military? It's not about supporting the other half, it's about the military, schools, interstate roads, CIA, FBI, and all the other stuff that comes along with it. All that is greatly reduced when we start living on what the poorest can afford. So on a different track, what is their obligation to the other half of the country, for all of that great stuff we are giving them?

QUOTE (shipps @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 11:54 AM) They will NEVER patch things up from the past circumstances. Consider that bridge burnt. There was a lot of really bad blood there.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 11:14 AM) I think Ottawa is going to be the team that is most likely to make a move for Khabby. New coach, and Gerber hasn't done well at all. Would like to have either Fisher or Vermette for Khabbi if the Hawks could pull that one off somehow. I'd really like to deal him for draft picks (or pick) and the get the salary off of their books so that they have more flexibility for the rest of the season.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:45 AM) It would be nice if McCain actually paid attention to what Barack said instead of sleeping in until 9AM every day... First he is "stunned" when Obama says Joe the Plummer wouldn't be finned in Obama's healthcare system. Now McCain doesnt even know Obama's tax plan: You mean the same plan that Obama won't decide on? http://newsbusters.org/blogs/amy-menefee/2...how-much-it-yet

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:39 AM) tpm: McCain Campaign Falsely Claims Obama Described Court's Failure to Redistribute Wealth As "Tragedy" By Greg Sargent - October 27, 2008, 12:16PM The McCain campaign's efforts to portray Barack Obama as a closet socialist took a turn into the burlesque today, with the McCain camp falsely claiming that in a seven year old interview, Obama said that it was a "tragedy" that the Supreme Court hadn't redistributed wealth away from hard-working Americans. The Obama interview in question is being pushed relentlessly today by the wingnuts, who are circulating this audio of it. The McCain campaign just blasted out a quote from senior economics adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin hammering Obama. In the interview, Holtz-Eakin claimed, "Obama expressed his regret that the Supreme Court hadn't been more 'radical' and described as a 'tragedy' the Court's refusal to take up 'the issues of redistribution of wealth.'" Holtz-Eakin asserted that this proves that Obama wants to take money "away from people who work for it" and give it to people "Obama believes deserves it." Apparently McCain himself is going to pick up this cudgel on the trail today, too. But as usual, this latest attack rests on a complete falsehood. If you look at Obama's full quote -- which you can read right here -- it's very clear that Obama was not directly "regretting" the failure of the court to be "radical." Rather, he was saying that the court's failure to take up redistributive issues proved that it wasn't as "radical" as some have claimed. The "radical" line was clearly a dispassionate claim about the reality of history. What's more, take a look at the operative part of Obama's quote that includes the "tragedy" line: One of the I think the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court focused I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change and in some ways we still suffer from that. As you can see, Obama simply didn't say that the court's faiulre to take up redistribution was a tragedy. Rather, he was arguing that it was a "tragedy" that the Civil Rights movement expected the courts to do too much in this regard, which led the movement away from other ways of accomplishing redistributive goals, such as organizing and legislative politicking. Now, it's true that Obama was describing redistribution as a worthy goal. The wingers are grabbing on to this as proof, along with his recent claims to America's Favorite Plumber, that he harbors a shadowy socialist and redistributionist agenda. But Obama clearly wasn't talking about the mass seizure of wealth -- after all, redistribution is the whole idea behind taxation, which is a fairly mainstream concept that McCain still presumably supports in principle. What's more, Obama legal adviser Cass Sunstein argues to Ben Smith that Obama was discussing "redistribution" in the context of a narrow legal discussion about civil rights, meaning he was discussing whether the courts should make the things that guarantee a social safety net -- education, welfare, and the like -- court-mandated rights. Ironically, Sunstein points out, Obama was arguing that legislative action was a preferable vehicle for accomplishing such goals. If McCain disagrees with Obama's argument that the courts aren't the primary place to accomplish such things, he should say so. It would certainly make news. The irony is that this article also takes the quote out of context, it leaves out the part where Obama then goes on to talk about how he believes the government should be the ones doing the redistribution of wealth.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) I also want to make it clear. I do NOT favor the "sit on your ass and take federal money" welfare system. That needs some reform. But I do think using money from those who are well off to support projects like healthcare for all, new energy, and fixing our education system is very important. Lets look at something Obama said. In one interview he talked about using rich money form the suburbs to help inner city schools. What's wrong with that? If we didnt build up those schools, where would the kids go? To some slum school with a teacher who doesnt care? You make them better so maybe someday one fo those kids will have the ability to be living in the suburbs with a nice car. So who actually said that the rich shouldn't pay any taxes? They already do all of the stuff, today. The poor don't pay for their school, infrastructure and all of that other stuff today. They also don't create the jobs they work at either. No one seems to want to mention that taking money out of the pockets of the people who create jobs in the first place, isn't a good idea for a recession policy.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) Is that what we did from '92 - '00? He wants to roll back the tax cuts to the Clinton years. At the top, not at the bottom. Otherwise that whole tax cuts for 95% of the country lie would be hard to go with.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:32 AM) Half the country?? please. Excuse me, 44%. Should someone in the 40th percentile not pay any income taxes?

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:27 AM) redistribution of wealth... redistribution of wealth... redistribution of wealth I hate to break it to everyone. By nature... taxes are a redistribution of wealth. Unless we tax every single person, whether you make $5 a year or $5,000,000, a set amount... it's a redistribution of wealth. The rich pay for things that benefit the poor. Dont like the rich paying for the streets that benefit the single working class mother who is driving her son to the baby sitter so she can go work a 12 hour day? Fine, then ban them from using the streets that were payed for by the "wealthy". Charge everyone who drives down Schaumburg road a .$50 toll every 2 miles. Or, make that woman use the sewer system to get to her sitter. Oh wait. that sewer was payed for by tax dollars of the "wealthy". Guess she cant use that either. Well, I guess she gets to stay home and wallow in filth and squalor while the rich live on in luxury. Do you really believe that half of the country should be supporting the other half?

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 10:15 AM) Then I hear it's already in the 80's back down in my neck of the woods. It's probably the 1 main reason I wouldn't want to work in this area of North America really, the weather come the winter. You really wouldn't want to work in Chicago then either. Any ideas of where you would like to end up now after being here for a while?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:57 AM) Richie J was the same way. Trust me, I am not taking anything away from his pop. The thing that grinds my gears about this is that Richie is a known micromanager. He knows everything that goes on in that city. But as soon as an aide gets busted, he doesn't know him anymore, and no one questions him, outside of maybe John Kass. You can't tell me that this Daley is less corrupt than Blago, Ryan, or Thompson, and they are either convicted, or about to be tried.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:44 AM) I doubt Ladd will be on the Hawks by the end of the season if things keep going the way they have for him. I was hoping he'd be getting top 6 minutes, but he isn't, so they obviously don't think that highly of him. Sopel needs to get it going. Was argubly our 2nd our 3rd best defender last season, this season, he's probably been our worst. And not a good game for Huet to have a bad one. I have been really disappointed in Huet so far this year. I don't know if he just isn't playing well, or if the lack of consistant playing time has something to do with it. I just haven't been impressed. Right now I would be riding Khabi.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:43 AM) Coldest day in New York today since I've been here. Really can't say I'm looking forward to the next 6 months weather wise. It only gets "better"...

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:12 AM) The truth is that the current Daley couldnt hold a candle to the level of corruption Richie J had. The guy was able to swing an entire Presidential election in 1960, determine the nominee in 1968. I find it amazing that so many of Daley's top aides have been taken down, but they have never been able to connect him to anything. To me, that tells me what the level of corruption is still like in Chicago.

QUOTE (shipps @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:23 AM) I have read that Pushing Daisies is going to get the boot pretty soon.It has really wore itself out with me every episode seems the same now. Damn. I love that show.

What an idiot.

I figure I will make donations after my loans are paid off, which should be sometime next century.

I am interested to hear the defenses of this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 26, 2008 -> 07:00 PM) Santo that's giving up too much. Floyd had a great year and is showing the promise people felt he had. Poreda could be a standout as well. Fields also may still be a good pro. Zito was perhaps the worst starter in the history of baseball last season (except for Kip Wells every season). Jaime Navarro blames his offense for you forgetting about him...

QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 23, 2008 -> 08:43 PM) From Stoney's blog... "All has been quiet on the White Sox front as Kenny Williams and company have to decide #1 what team they want and what kind of team they are able to acquire for next year. Some time those 2 things are not exactly compatible. [/v] Although the list of free agents is not official quite yet, it's safe to say the Sox will not be in the battle for CC Sabathia. The Sox, who have had a few too many people on their disabled list recently, probably don�t have enough room on their roster for Ben Sheets so don�t go look after him. But there are some intriguing lower level agents that the White Sox might have some interest in. I believe that Kenny has at least one, possible 2 blockbuster deals that he will participate in; one that I am not at liberty to discuss at this point and a couple others that I can only guess at. But the Sox know that he have some work to do because the Indians will get better, Detroit will get older and Minnesota is always pretty tough." Great, great line, that bears repeating ad naseum to many fans. Kenny knows what the weaknesses of this team are, and he has for years. Just because he can't get the ideal guys to fill those weaknesses, doesn't mean he won't make other moves that still improve the team for 2k9.