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Yeah, that's what I don't get. What happens in the little bit of extra time of waiting that was supposed to be better for a Robert trade return? If the expectation isn't that the offers will get better (you know, like Dylan Cease being traded while he value is down after a down year from his career year), why are you waiting? I am still not sure what waiting an extra six months to year does for his trade return. I mean if I am understanding the vagueness of the answers here, I am being told that Luis Robert was worth 100 million dollars, but we were only get back say $90 million in return, but if we waited six months until his worth fell to $90 million, making that same deal was now OK, because it balances. If that is the case, and you don't expect his return to go UP during that time period, what are you waiting for, exactly? Peak value is peak value.

Please. Free to a home.

Can't be that. Has to be everyone else who is wrong. Because "value".

Robert was coming off of a career year and Cease wasn't. That's my lane. My lane is the GM should know these things, especially when there is all kinds of off of the field reasons we keep hearing about. Maybe if that isn't a part of the lane, Sox people shouldn't be putting it out there?

So what did waiting six months do for that, exactly? What exactly was going to happen between then and the summer to make things better?

I literally gave you twice that it already happened for the same franchise.

It would be nice if you could actually articulate why, other than this wasn't a mistake because "value".

That's my feeling. This rebuild has no sacred cows. Honestly, I think teams are sniffing around him because they think they can get Grant Taylor for less than it would cost to get say a Duran from Minny.

So is this dude just the OF version of Tim Elko?

I fully doubt that anyone is willing to pay full closer price for Taylor, considering he is completely unproven at any level.

Again, if the feeling is that his extension doesn't fit his body that has been floated out there is true, the Sox don't see Taylor as a starter long term, no matter what they are saying publicly.

Cease being a great example of taking what is out there for a depreciated asset versus selling at the top.

This is absurd. You are basically telling me that Robert had to have his value depreciate so that they could trade him at some sort of a fair price, knowing fully well that means risking his historically bad health, along with the whispered work ethic and coachability factors that keep being whispered about by those in the know, coming into play. What exactly was going to change in six months that all of the sudden that made a trade for Robert then a proper "value" for him. If teams weren't going to offer enough at 4 years, why would waiting six months for them to hopefully be offering the same thing in six months, but now with six months of depreciation to his value make it worth while to trade him because now that is proper "value" a sane thought. If it is the best offer you are going to get, why the heck wouldn't you take it? There is zero chance that the offers were going to go UP from him having a huge breakout year and full health for the time in his career. Speaking of "value" in some sort of abstract, with literally no evidence backing it up, versus his absolute value being almost certainly never going to be higher than it was in 2023 because of the factors that I keep mentioning, and keep being ignored seems like missing the forest for the trees. Rick Hahn was able to get a huge deal for Adam Eaton specifically, who was WAY less of a player with four years remaining on his deal. Chris Sale brought a much bigger "value" return as a more established player. Why wasn't it possible to get something along the Eaton to Sale lines in terms of a return for Luis Robert when we have seen it happen before?

The problem is that the Sox actions speak differently.

I really want to see the answer to the question of when Manfred tells the players they are giving up money without a cap, but that owners are losing a ton of money, how he proposes their are billions for the players to get, without the owners losing more money. That is pretty contradictory.

Ope.

If the leaks about Taylor not being considered a starter are true, you deal him if someone offers you a top closer price for him. Keeping a Ferrari at your trailercourt is pointless.

Considering he is still a part of this organization, they are probably STILL paying Tony.

Vs the Jewish faith apparently.

This is not what the revisionist history is telling us. The whole sales job since Getz took the job is that the insiders all knew it was horrible and Hahn had burned this franchise to the ground, so there was no other way to see what was going to happen besides years of pain as they rebuilt from the ashes. The only reason to keep Luis Robert was if you thought you could do this relatively quickly.

Dude is an injury prone 35 year old OF. There is no hindsight needed here. Trade him for the best offer.

But we literally hired Chris Getz because he was going to save us a year of figuring out the organization because he knew everyone already. If half of what has been said about Luis Robert is true, plus full well knowing you are betting on a dude that has been injured a ton since we signed him at 18 years old, Getz should have known that 2023 absolutely could be a peak. If he Fedde'd the deal and took one less on something to get a deal done, that is insanely better than what we are getting in 2025. This should have been most obvious to Chris Getz.

Here's the thing. If you know your car has problems, the dealer offers you $1000 under what is is worth, do you walk away knowing it could break down at any time because of "value" or do you take what you can get so you can move on? Even if Chris Getz is more worried about "value" vs what is best for the franchise, he would have been very likely to be be proven right in the long run when Luis Robert has his inevitable breakdown. He literally did this last year with Fedde. He took a less than value deal because he probably knew this was peak value, and even though it was less than what it should have been, it was better to get what they got, than risk keeping him.

If you KNOW there is a really good chance this is peak value, and you allow him to depreciate significantly, you didn't get maximum value, and that ISN'T best for the organization. And honestly, why is the assumption they wouldn't get value? Rick Hahn got huge value for both Chris Sale and Adam Eaton with 4 years of control. Why wasn't Chris Getz capable of doing the same?

With how Jerry treated his candidacy, I can also see his family changing their minds on his being inducted as a White Sox.