southsider2k5

Perez has an injury.

The title of the thread is quite literally What could the Sox have gotten in TRADE. So the QO discussion is a move of the goalposts. The answer to the thread title is essentially nothing before he turned into Cy Young last year. Once he turned into Cy Young, he was too important to the team to trade.

Wow, he got out of it. Bravo.

You aren't going to get a call if you aren't around the plate regularly.

He's been a right handed version of Bummer. Tons of movement, no idea where it is going.

Oh wait, you can pinch hit with a normal starter on a day when they are on the bench in a clutch situation? Does Tony know?

Kelly has no control or sharpness so far. I get he has been hurt and is working back into shape, but maybe then we shouldn't be using him as a primary set up guy, right Tony?

There is a difference. There was literally no plausible time in the last four seasons for the Sox to trade Carlos Rodon. The QO is a completely different discussion.

Again, this is not the same as trading him. Those are two completely different things.

Also correct. I want to say it is June 1.

He didn't have value when the Sox could have afford to trade him. The QO is a completely different thing.

I'd like to see the list of teams who traded their #1 starter mid-season during a playoff run.

So we were supposed to trade him in 2021 and punt on the playoffs? My whole argument was he had no trade value until 2021, and in 2021 he was too valuable to trade.

Midway and stay downtown or river north. Don't let people's fears scare you off of a good time.

All Sox fans would have loved to get something for him, but this isn't OOTP. He is a guy who had major injuries and hadn't had an actually good season in five seasons before last year. He came off of TJS in 2019, so both that and 2020 were washouts where he showed nothing. 2018, he had a FIP near 5, and his strikeout rate and stuff fell off pretty hard, probably because he was nursing an injury which turned into his TJS a year later. 2017 he was hurt again with only 12 starts and didn't even make 70 innings. Taking all of that into account, the entire world had a crack at him in the 2020-21 offseason, and literally no one was willing to offer him anymore than what Vince Velazquez got as a free agent. If he had trade value, he would have been signed for A LOT more than $3 million and an invite to spring training. Pitchers with trade value get a LOT more, both in terms of years and dollars. So as you attack everyone for saying the obvious, when do you think they should have traded him and what value do you think he had pre-2021? I sure don't see it, but let's actually hear you logic instead of your hurt feelings.

SUCK IT ROYALS!

https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1526301200542486532?s=20&t=th-OMyQIlCrtVjCzn5VHrA

I am curious for your source on this.

Would you have not made the same bets on Chris Sale and Tim Anderson? You make these bets knowing full well that they might not pay off, but because they made these types of deals with Sale and Adam Eaton, the rebuild was pushed forward by years. If we hadn't made this deal with Tim Anderson, he would have been a $20ish million player this year (he is $9.5 this year) and pending free agency after this season. Instead he is controlled for the next two years at $12.5 and 14 million. So yes, you can pick out the deals that didn't work, but these three years are probably going to save the White Sox something like $50 or $60 million on Tim Anderson alone.

I don't know if it will be Ayton per se, but this is the TYPE of deal the Bulls need to pull off.

Now I see why you like Tony. Leury Garcia hitting 2nd. some dude named "Roberts" hitting 3rd , and some dude named "Pollack" hitting 8th.

Do it at about 7:10 CST tonight to save us all from ourselves.