southsider2k5

To be fair Buehrle had a coolness factor of eleventy twelveteen.

I will allow the thread.

Sounded like it was off the handle.

Look, when teams call Rick Hahn, all of them are going to ask about Dylan Cease. They are all going to want to take on that arm and ceiling. No one is valuing him as a failed prospect, otherwise his name wouldn't be coming up in these kind of discussions. They are all looking to add talent like that to their system, and for a good reason. If you don't get that, you don't get it. There isn't much that can be done. If you are more hung up on your biases here than how this stuff actually works, that's a totally different story.

This is not that point. He does not have a history of failure like you are trying to paint. Dylan Cease still has plenty of trade value, significantly more than shitty rental trade.

That's not how trade value works, but hey, feel free to imagine what ever makes you happy.

I would really be curious to see what the Cubs are looking for in a package like that. Both are on expiring deals and contain a bit under $20 million in payments left this season. Do the Cubs pick up dollars or do they look for return?

You literally used the term minimal trade value in your edit.

Or Giolito...

That still doesn't make the trade price for Dylan Cease, Joc Peterson.

2006 is a playoff team under the current rules.

How Reynaldo ended up today is immaterial and a distraction. The only relationship would be his trade value after his first or second season. In fact even after all of his failures a guy like Reynaldo IS the type of return that the Cubs can hope for from Peterson.

That's a non sequitur which has zero impact on what I just said. Same with Rey Lopez or any other immaterial thing you want to drag in here.

There is a chasm of space between 4 years of even a back end starter and Joc Peterson, let alone one with the potential and arm of Dylan Cease.

Yet here he is for the 2nd year in a row outperforming those numbers by a significant margin.

Then you don't understand trade value in 2021.

"not very good" starting pitcher with four years of cheap control is not = to a shitty player with an expiring contract. Just no.

So now Cease's value is defined by one start against the Twins? Good lord man.

They don't value him at Joc Peterson. That should be REALLY obvious. Even if you want to combine his last season with this one to make essentially one full season, Dylan Cease is now at

No it isn't. You might not value him at top prospect cost, but he is LONG above dumped for a shitty player with an expiring contract. 4 years of control for even a mediocre starter is FAR and above the return for a Joc Peterson.