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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 09:56 PM) Heath Slater just won the main event on Raw Wait what?? My DVR, for whatever reason, didn't record past 10 so I missed the ending. I assumed it would just be a cat fight.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 10:53 AM) Projection is a FO's job. People on this board project both an increase in production and a decrease. One thing that doesn't make sense to me is if a relief pitcher's performance greatly varies from year to year, why would anyone use the previous season as the indicator for how they will perform in the current season? Regression and breakouts happen all the time. The Sox have a couple of breakouts in Petricka and Putnam. Next year, those guys both could be regressions. Ok so how does the FO project these things? Any idea? What should the use as an indicator? Unless you're going after truly dominate guys, which Downs and Belly aren't, it seems awfully difficult to judge...Almost a crap shoot.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) If FIP is an indicator of future success, it appears it needs a bit of fine tuning. Like I said I'm not sure if it's meant to be used on a year to year basis. This does show you how fickle bullpen arms can be from a year to year basis. I ask you, how is Hahn supposed to predict those guys, who obviously had success last year, would fail? BTW, I've been "against" the FIP stat, notice how I said "People". I could do the same thing with ERA and it still looks good.

People always say that FIP is "A better indicator of future success", so with that said here is look at the bullpen Hahn built...Kinda. ( Closer- Nate Jones- 2.64 Matt Lindstrom- 3.15 Scott Downs- 3.09 Ronald Belisario- 3.64 Daniel Webb- 2.34 Jake Petricka- 3.72 Now I'm not sure that the whole future success thing should really be used on a year to to year basis, but this shows you just how "good" the guys he brought together were last year. Those guys duplicate those numbers this year, which I'm sure Hahn was hoping for, then the bullpen is fine. Greg, VA, and whoever else who is arguing otherwise, please, explain how Rick Hahn is supposed to know these guys were gonna fail. Their regular ERA and FIP were good, so what else can he go off of? If you can't can't come up with a reason, then why blame Hahn?

Simply put he didn't put out enough "horses" to cover up the lose of 2 key bullpen pieces and that's something you should expect from a team that just lost 99 games. And really, most teams in baseball don't have the horses to cover losing 2 key guys.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 11:28 PM) Some posters are saying the bullpen is the last to be fixed. My point is he did address the bullpen during this rebuild. It's like some are saying you should fix the everyday lineup first, then the bullpen. He did also try to fix the bullpen, but failed miserably. I'm just perplexed some people think he has yet to address the bullpen. He has ... he's just failed at it so far. Ya know what, in a way, you are correct. He didn't really build it from a depth perspective though. He did indeed throw some money at the bullpen though. He didn't fail though, the players did. He brought in 2 guys that have been quality guys for years now. With out a crystal ball how can you envision those 2 guys sucking? Same with the Jones/Lindstrom going down. He built a bullpen that if all goes right would be a solid unit. Nothing went right because the players didn't execute.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 11:11 PM) What are u guys talking about? Hahn deserves blame because he did acquire some new relievers in an attempt to fix the bullpen and these pitchers SUCK. Not to mention a horrid starter in Paulino. A fifth grader could tell you that guy is trash. Not hyperbole. I about puked when I heard we were putting him in the rotation, but I digress. Hahn did acquire relievers. So does that mean he knew those relievers sucked? Obviously not. He thought they were good. So please give Hahn some blame here for this pathetic bullpen. Overall do I still want Hahn as GM? Yes of course. Am I mad as hell at this bad bullpen ... of course. It cost the Sox a possible wildcard. Why is that whining? Again, Belly has been good in 3 of his 4 years at the big league level and Downs has been one of the better LH relievers in the game for years before now. Old school and advanced stats both say that. How is he supposed to know ahead of time that they were gonna fail miserably.

Nooooooo!!!! Tyler was gonna hit for the cycle!!!

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 10:40 PM) I wasn't going to mention that since you obviously put a lot of effort into it on my behalf. I needed some rain delay entertainment anyway lol...Fixed it....Regret putting the bold around "TLYER FLOWERS" though.

Just realized that I kinda botched it all....you call them Sorcerers Spectacles....Will fix it in a sec

Hey Cali, go peep the Tyler Flowers thread.

This one goes out to Cali....

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 09:56 PM) What was Tyler's first game A.G. (after glasses)? July 9th

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 09:46 PM) We thought that the first month of the season too The difference is he's actually been much more than just a singles hitter. Dude had 10 XBHs before he put on the glasses...He's since had 11 in 18 games. He's really a different hitter right now.

Extend that man!

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 09:25 PM) Here was the original question: "Is this bullpen Rick Hahn's fault?" The answer is obviously YES. To everyone who thinks he "couldn't" have fielded a better bullpen (which is frankly an absurd view) the answer is still YES. And I think Rick Hahn would stand up like a man, take responsibility for the bad choices he made, and agree. You just don't get it.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 09:04 PM) So how well does Tyler have to hit before we take him seriously? I've probably been Tylers biggest fan here and I still gotta see it continue the rest of the season before I say he's the 2015 catcher. He's really opening some eyes right now though. 11 XBH in less than a month. Is nothing to scoff at.

Not quite beastly enough though.

TFlow is such a beast =) #MagicalGlasses

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 07:48 PM) And Alexei grounds into another DP after Eaton gets on base His 18th of the year......Jeez am I slow with these stats. Sox really don't have a #2 hitter. At the very least looking at Beckhams double play numbers, he doesn't do it that often. Even in his worst year, 2011, he only grounded into 6 DPs. Really hope Semien can fill that void.

I think guys like him have a place on contending teams, but Sox could just resign Dunn and not give anything up.

I know we're not really talking about money here, but I'd take Sale because of that contract. That deal of his is absolutely ridiculous. Under control for 5 more years with 13.5 being the most he'll ever be paid in a year. That's nuts in todays day and age. JDA, more than likely gets pretty expensive in 2 years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) When should the Sox get the go ahead to build a good bullpen? Not a year after losing 99 games. Had they known Abreu was gonna be one of the best players in baseball, Adam Eaton was gonna be one of the better leadoff hitters in baseball, Conor Gillaspie was gonne be in the top 10 in BA, and Lexi was gonna be the "offensive force" he has been this year, then yes, they probably put forth more effort into making the bullpen good. Say Abreu needs a year to adjust, Adam Eaton is the .252/.314/.360 hitter he was last year, Gillaspie is the .245/.305/.390 hitter he was last year, and Lexi is the sun .700 OPS hitter he's been the last 2 years.....What good would that team be with a good bullpen?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) The White Sox didn't get one of those in the trade.