Capn12

Everyone but Everett may be able to return. We will have nowhere to play Everett consistently, and even worse, he'd be our 2nd or 3rd highest paid position player. I love what he did for us, but to me, its either Everett or Maggs, pick your poison.

Tell me you are not serious???? You think Coop and Walker should be fired?? UH, I'm sorry to relate this little 'tidbit' of info to you, but Cooper has been the best thing to happen to White Sox pitchers in quite some time. Also, Crede, Rowand, and the rest of the guys that came through the system are products of Walk's system. Kimm, while not a great 3B coach, at least he wasn't Wavin Wally.

I guess its easy to sit here and b**** and moan that "the offer probably wasn't close to what the Yanks and/or Boston will offer." Well no s***!!! We don't have the 100+ million dollar payrolls that those 2 teams have. If KW convinced JR to extend the largest contract offer we've ever offered to Colon, and he still rejects it, well too f***ing bad Colon. KW made giant strides to bring him back, and to put Colon in a position to be financially secure for his career. Everyone on here thinks we are gonna magically create a $80+ million payroll for 2004, even though JR has NEVER done so. Bzzzt!! It ain't gonna happen, so for us to offer what we did to Colon should be enough to let KW sleep at night, and know he did what he could to bring Bartolo back.

First off, there is no way you unload Koch right now, at his absolute lowest value possible. You tell Billy to go home, stay in shape, and don't pick up a baseball until February 2004. All you can hope is that the arm will recover from its overuse, and he can be back to 96-98 MPH. You can't get rid of the guy at 6+ mill owed in 2004, and get ANYTHING, and you'll probably be asked to take some of that salary to boot. Konerko, if it is possible, yeah, we should move him. Don't know if it is, but I wish we could. Herse the problem. Maggs, Everett, Frank, Konerko .....If you keep Frank and Konerko, Everett is as good as gone .....if you keep Frank and Maggs, Everett is as good as gone, maybe PK .....if you keep Everett and Frank, Konerko and maybe Maggs are gone Theres no way to keep all 4, so who do you wanna see gone? Me, I would like to move Konerko if possible, and then decide between Everett and Maggs. If keeping Everett means we can get a real SS and/or sign Bartolo, then sorry, but Maggs and his $14 million salary have to go. We are too financially strapped by max payrolls to have one player make 20% of the payroll.

My bad. I messed up on his promotion. But either way, Everett and Miles should be here. Dorn should not... Roman, it isnt all about production for every player. Economics is a part of this game, whether you like it or not. Everett at 7+ mill vs. AaRow at under 500K, sorry, this one to JR and the boys is a no-brainer. Rowand is a better defensive outfielder, plays as hard as Everett, doesn't have the power that Carl has, but with the rest of the lineup, that $$$ is better spent elsewhere.

Actually, Roman, he was recalled on June 10th...he was in AAA for all of May. And since June 1st, he has had: 97 ABs, 37 H, 6 Doubles, 6 HRs, 22 RBI, and only 11 K's. Quick math will tell ya that is a .381 Avg, and most of those ABs came late in the game, as a PHer.

Ya think that maybe that motorcycle wreck he had mighta just had some affect on his start? Everett's "heart" in CF doesnt make up for the fact that he has no clue how to play Center. He throws it to the wrong base, never gets good reads off the bat, and quite often is bailed out by CLee and Maggs. We don't need an overpriced defensive liability, we have quite a few of those already. Go look at AaRows stats since after he was called back up, and tell me he hasnt performed when given the opportunity.

Is being a hypocrite one of your better qualities, Roman? Josh is Puerto Rican I believe. Out of all the rebuttals that were made to your post, all you could find to post about is someones spelling? Very juvenile.

Well, you must remember that Gordon is not signed for next year, and he will make plenty o' money, as there are already a couple teams interested in making a run at him. Koch, we have him for 2004 whether or not we like it. All we can do is hope he cando absolutely nothing all winter, let his arm rest, and come back like gangbusters for ST. Our best option is to move Konerko, and that will be VERY hard to do right now. With his 8 mil, you can get Colon back. We lose Everetts salary, because we can't afford him....Robbie, theres an enigma....I'd like to have him back, but I'd just as soon let Harris/Miles play there to save the $$$. Shortstop, I think it will be well known before winter is over that both Jason and I are firm believers in Kazuo Matsui. Does that mean JR will go after him? Of course not, we probably won't be anywhere near the running for him. We have some holes to fill, and not alot of $$$ right now to fill them.

Are you sure, Roman.....are you sure he is the only player who plays all out all the time??? Are you sure that we dont have someone who, despite being a guy who gives his all, had the second fewest ABs of anyone on our regular roster?? In case you still don't know who I speak of, AaRow deserves his shot, he's played with intensity when given the chance to play, and he doesnt cost 7+ mill like Everett.

No Heather, because blaming the #5 spot in our rotation would be sensical. And if it makes sense, Roman isn't gonna be posting about it.

Everytime I see a post by Roman and read it, I think "wow...thats got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen him post." And then I read your next post. I gotta give ya credit Roman, you continue to out do yourself with every new post you make!!!!

Thats the thing, the $64,000 question. We have Everett, Thomas and Konerko. We can and only need to keep 2 of those 3. It'll depend on whether or not they can get someone to take Konerko, that'll mean Frank would play 1st alot more. Do we want that? If not, then Maggs will have to be the one moved, because of $$$. Carl can play RF, and let Rowand/Reed play CF.

Full point to Cerbaho_WG for the comeback.

If Este has to come out, I wouldnt want Buehrle in...his WHIP is kinda bad

Yes, but adding on to it...this is 4 years in a row that we've lost on the LAST drive of the game....this was such a winnable game, and if not for the blocked punt at the beginning of the game, its a USC win.

I am having a hard time taking the fact that my USC boys went into Knoxville tonight, played them straight up, won every statistical category except punting, and lost in OT. We kick a FG in OT, take the 20-17 lead. UT has a 3rd down and 4, throws the Fade, DB slips, ballgame. Ouch....it doesn't help that I have always hated UcheaT and their football team. :puke

And since his visit to Charlotte to re-establish his swong, the guy, when given the rare AB by Manuel, has been pretty good. He only got 156 damn ABs!!! :fyou JM. He managed to hit .282 in those random ABs, and I'm not sure that Carl can do what he did here again in 2004. I'd love to have Carl, but out of Carl, Frank and Konerko...at least ONE of them HAS to go. Too much in financial implications between those 3 next year.

Well, if ya want Carl around, it may cost ya Maggs position. If this organization is stupid enough to let CLee get away for Carl to play LF, I'll be seriously scratching my head. No chance he should come back as the everyday CF, Rowand is so much better in the field, at a key defensive position. That leaves RF, where we have 20% of our expected 2004 payroll playing. Folks, Maggs may not be with the Sox come next year, methinks....but if we replace him with Carl for a year or 2, I may be ok with it, assuming we get Carl at 7-8 mil.

I wanna see any GM in major league baseball put together a great team with the constraints that Dickhead Jerry Reinsdorf has on this organization. Did KW make mistakes? Oh, hell yeah...but he has gotten better as time has passed. He continues to do his homework, and go after what he thinks we need. Can anyone say that Jerry Manuel has gotten better as time passed?? .........didn't think so........

Hey, Johnny Park....been a while since I listened to The Colour and the Shape....one of my favs from that disc was "New Way Home"

Beatles- Dig A Pony Closure- Look Out Below Fiona Apple- Never Is a Promise Pearl Jam- Immortality Foo Fighters- Tired of You

Thats cool elrockinMT....but with that being saod, we have to find a way to move Konerko from this team, we'll need the $$$ he is making, and it will be better spent elsewhere.

In other news, namely the SOX, nice to see my boy AaRow getting 2 hits tonight....Sadly, he'll end up with more ABs in Arizona Fall League than he did this whole season probably.

Just in case you all didn't know............. Danny Wright Owns!!!! :finger