Dick Allen

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) He's part of the " Lollipop guild" that Hahns been getting, Leury 5'7", Eaton 5'8" Elmore 5'9" . This would have worked much better had Guillen still been the manager since the "lollipop guild" belongs in the "Land of Oz". They should all take a picture standing next to Adam Dunn.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:09 AM) At the expense of getting other guys rest and playing match ups, which (theoretically) improves performance. First you say having a full time DH is ridiculous, then you say his slash line is frightening for a DH, then it's match ups ( and I don't know where I could find average DH numbers) and giving guys rest. Guys can still sit on the bench and get real rest, and a DH doesn't have to play 162. If Viciedo reaches his potential, or comes close to it, it is a bat you want in the line up every day. If it's DH fine. He could also still play the OF occassionally and maybe 1B.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:58 AM) If the White Sox can acquire someone with the capabilities of David Ortiz or Frank Thomas or Jim Thome or Edgar Martinez or whoever, then I'm ok with it, unless you are comparing Dayan Viciedo to those guys. There are always exceptions Dick. Viciedo, for his career, is at .264/.306/.432/.738. The idea of starting that at DH on a day to day basis is frightening. I bet the slash line you presented for Viciedo compares favorably to the average DH in 2013, and I think he will get better.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:58 AM) If the White Sox can acquire someone with the capabilities of David Ortiz, then I'm ok with it, unless you are comparing Dayan Viciedo to David Ortiz. There are always exceptions Dick. You were the one who said using a full time DH was ridiculous. There have been several that were outstanding. And while many say Viciedo is what he is and Adam Eaton is going to be really good, they might want to keep in mind, Viciedo is actually younger than Eaton.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 08:56 AM) Hopefully by that point, everybody. Using a full time DH is ridiculous Yeah, the Red Sox using Big Papi, the White Sox when the had Thomas and then Thome...what a joke.

If you really think Jake Elmore is better than Gordon Beckham all I can say is.........WOW.

Wasn't Elmore acquired off waivers from the Astros? If he can't play for the Astros, and looking at his stats in the minors, if anything, it makes me pause concerning Eaton's minor league stats. A report on the trade said the Sox had interest in Kendrick. I wonder if that was to play 3B, or would have involved trading Beckham for a 3B.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) wow....what an ugly thread. Well it was just a thread about AJ doing something nice and some will have nothing to do with that, they have to slam him every chance they get. It would be like next month with Frank gets his HOF election thread and a bunch of people went on there to say he was really an egotistical, crappy teammate who was only concerned about his stats. It would be uncalled for. The thread was about AJ possibly wearing Hawk's number, not about whether or not he kneed a trainer 10 years ago. Seriously, as bad as some think AJ is, probably most of the guys they never say anything about are worse.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 12:22 AM) I've never understood this "won the deal" mentality. It's not a video game. It's not about "winning a deal" based on your perceptions of value. It's about improving the team. Winning the deal is improving the team. Unlike a game, doesn't necessarily have to be a loser for every winner.

How much better is Mark Trumbo than Dayan Viciedo?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) Wasn't a good part of Brian Anderson's benching a result of frequently overthrowing the cut-off man and throwing to the wrong base? I seem to remember him doing that a lot & actually that was my first thought watching him make that throw to first. That play could easily go very wrong and end in a few dadgummits. BA was putting together an historical season defensively advanced metrics-wise when he was benched. He was benched because he hit like a typical member of the 2013 White Sox.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) My remarks were based upon the following scouting report: http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/08/...-adam-eaton-of/ Does anyone disagree with this assessment, and why? I like the kid, but was hoping for more. Considering I just started looking at scouting reports about him today, I've seen just about everything. He doesn't have a good arm. He has a great arm. He's fast. He is average speed but makes up for it with gridiness. He won't hit for any power, he could be a double digit homer guy. He's a great OF, he's below average defensively. He projects to be a 4th OF, he projects to be a leadoff man CF. Who knows until he actually is playing real games, but losing Hector Santiago isn't a huge price IMO.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) This^ Also his MLB.com prospect scouting report from 2012 said... "He has a plus arm from the outfield and likes to bait runners so he can throw them out." I hope, if he's still doing this, the White Sox get him to stop. No reason trying to bait runners from the OF. It will backfire. Just get the ball in.

There has been something the Sox didn't dig about Santiago from the get go. I don't know if they think he's an injury waitng to happen, a guy who will always be at 100 pitches in the fifth inning or what, but there is something. If you really trust Cooper, he didn't like something about Santiago and I doubt it was his personality.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:31 PM) Garcia is the RF for the next five years anyway. Hopefully.

QUOTE (bulokis @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:26 PM) It looks like it. I feel like we sold low on Hector but hopefully Hahn has more in mind. He obviously has more in mind. It's a question of getting it done. Leury Garcia, Eaton, any more munchkins available?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) UPDATE 1:53PM CT MLBTR's Tim Dierkes has just learned that additional players may or may not be exchanged in the deal should it come to fruition. If you may remember MLBTR's Tim Dierkes was the first to report Hector Santiago potentially considering a change in representation to CAA. He just learned additional players may or may not be exchanged? What a scoop. You really have to be an insider to come up with that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) They refused to even make him an offer leading up to that point. The Sox told him to go out and test the market. The point being, they didn't say, we would love to have you, but your xFIP. If xFIP were in the equation, Buehrle would have been a goner long before 2011.

I read MLBTR often and I always read so and so team is really pushing for so and so player, but they have yet to make an offer. How is that really pushing? If I was a player, cut through all the BS, if you really want me, show me how much.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) xFIP predicts future performance, so I'd guess that's something they would consider when resigning someone. They re-signed him several times, paying him over $81 million in his career when his xFIP was no better than what it was his final season with the team.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) Well the Sox do -- that's why they let MB walk, and that's probably one of the main reasons they're trading Santiago. How many years did the Sox employ Mark Buehrle, and have him start opening day, and pitch him in the playoffs and WS? xFIP had nothing to do with him leaving.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) You didnt read the Uribe rumbling? It's been confirmed as BS.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) He has a career xFIP of 4.66 in his career as a starter. Gavin Floyd has a better career xFIP than Mark Buehrle. Pardon me while I don't think much of that number.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) I know I'm going to get backlash for this, but what exactly is this surplus of pitching the Sox have? Guys like Rienzo can be found in every organization. I would guess that first round pick in 2014 is going to be a pitcher. I'm not worried about the Sox acquiring or developing pitchers. They seem to do that better than most.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) Lol, Jim Duquette on mlb.com right now saying he loves the deal for Arizona because Trumbo has so much power, and he doesn't like the deal for the Angels because Santiago is barely a #5 guy and Skaggs is a question mark. lol, f***ing idiot. And of course, he didn't mention anything about Adam Eaton. EDIT: Now the conversation has moved to Eaton. Duquette says he loves Eaton as a leadoff hitter, and likes the deal for the Sox. But of course this is all predicated on him saying Santiago is a fringe starter who can be replaced by a handful of people in the system. Coming into 2013, Skaggs was a top 10-15 prospect. I think the D Backs got the worst of the deal. Trumbo has been going backwards.