Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 12:39 PM) Dayan Viciedo is the present day version of Kendrys Morales. The Angels waited for 5 years for him to reach his advertised potential, which he never reached. He also can't play defense and is a terrible baserunner. I would use him as a measuring stick in regards to trade value, which the additional value being in Viciedo's youth and relatively low pre-FA cost. The same Kendrys Morales who hit 43 doubles and 34 homers and a .924 OPS as a 26 year old and was doing more of the same the next season until he broke his leg during a walk off homer celebration?

His goal may be a .400 OBP, but the reality is 7 players did that in 2013.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) Yep. And I think we will get a single A prospect or so. Considering he would still be making less than Raja Davis, that would be a silly move unless the prospect is top of the line.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) FRINGE POWER! Keith Law thinks it was possible he could hit "15 plus homers" playing at the Cell. But I guess I should of stopped after "Keith Law thinks." Is 15 homers fringe power anymore?

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin now Eaton: "It would be great if I could hang my hat around .300, 100 runs scored and an OBP around .400. I think it’s definitely doable." Ugh, now he's throwing out projections. Kid, just go play I agree. Do it first, then talk about it. But he apparently doesn't lack confidence.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) He lets the White Sox brass do that for him....naming the broadcast level of the park after him, Hawk Harrelson Day, having MLB Network do a special on him, etc. Make no mistake, he wants to be there. I'm sure he does, and I'm sure the White Sox want him there as well. I would bet the naming the broadcast level of the park after him, Hawk Harrelson Day, having MLB Network do a special on him were not his ideas.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:29 AM) I believe Hahn or a beat writer mentioned the Dykstra comp first. I could be wrong He kicks it up a notch adding Lofton. Hopefully he is more like those guys than John Cangelosi.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) Players comparisons are so unfair, especially in baseball. It's such a mental game, the only person he should be competing with is himself. What about the player actually comparing himself to those players?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) I'd say starting such a thread opened the floodgates. If posting anything AJ does that is a nice gesture opens the floodgates to people who have never even met him saying how awful he is based on what they read on the internet, and then totally dismissing anything positive about him on the same internet, you are correct.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:07 AM) Yes, f*** me for wanting a DH who puts up better than .260/.300/440. He can certainly get better, but if a guy is going to DH full time, I want him to be a good hitter. Yet you have no problem with a DH by committee putting up much worse numbers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:16 AM) Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 23m One GM says he was told in talks that Shin-Soo Choo would cost $140 million over 7 years. He's about out of teams that would even consider going there.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:15 AM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 6m Adam Eaton on getting away from energetic style in '13: I was too focused on struggling and trying to get back into the groove of things. Adam Eaton said he thinks he'll a little bit of a "Kenny Lofton/Lenny Dysktra mix." #WhiteSox Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 8m Eaton: "Get on base at all costs. I don't care if I get hit in the head or hit on the ankle." Adam Eaton: "I'm a scrappy, dirtbag guy." If he is a Lofton/Dykstra mix, it's an unreal trade. I would rather he not reach base getting hit.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:07 AM) When did my post call him an asshole? It laughed at the notion that choosing a jersey number makes someone a class act. It opened the flood gates.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:38 AM) Ben Zobrist was also a guy obtained from the Astros that couldn't crack their roster, it seems they would like to have him now. The Astros were up against their 40 man limit and had to outright him so they could protect Wojciekoski and Domingo Santana. They also had to leave Carlos Perez exposed and there are quite a few people here that think he would be a valuable selection. Ben Zobrist was traded mid season for Aubrey Huff as the Astros were trying to make a playoff push. He wasn't waived from a team that lost well over 100 games.

QUOTE (bulokis @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) At first I did not like the deal. I did not know anything about Eaton but when I saw KW's interview on MLB network, KW sounds so giddy about the move that was about to happen. The last time KW was this happy was when we acquired Pods and changed the whole team dynamics. I am not saying we will win the WS but Im buying on what we are doing. KW was pretty giddy about the return for Nick Swisher and Javy Vazquez. I think the Sox wouldn't make trades that weren't strickly salary dumps unless he was giddy about them.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) The only version of Viciedo that is likely to make it to the 2015 roster is one that you wouldn't mind DHing He can be the primary DH, but will still be able to fill in in the OF and probably 1B. Viciedo is a year younger than Adam Eaton.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) Hopefully Hawk is still alive when he gets it. Yeah. I actually felt the same way about Santo. If you are going to vote for him when he is dead, you might as well let him enjoy it while he is alive. Nothing regarding his worthiness will have changed.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:00 AM) So that's basically a public admission that "We are a basketball school, football success does not matter", right? With the co-ordinator, I don't know. Is it the scheme or lack of talent, and is the lack of talent his fault? IMO, bringing a lame duck head coach back is all you need to know about what they think of their programs. No way a basketball coach gets away with that much failure. And if the reason is they don't think they could attract the right guy right now, why is it going to get better with more failure?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:45 AM) Pretty sure we're done here You are the one saying his lifetime slash line makes him a horrible DH. So you are all over the place.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:08 AM) Didn't make it. He'll be eligible again in three years. Three...long....years. That blows. He's going to make it. Why make him wait? Do they only give it to 1 guy a year?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) Conversations typically evolve. You can have a conversation about the price of corn and end up talking about how terrible the Hindenburg was. Unfortunately, due to his history and personality, this thread evolved that way. Evolved? It was post #3.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) The OP suggested Viciedo as a full time DH next year. That's what I was referencing. Beyond that, I think the Diamondbacks paid way, way, way, way too much for Mark Trumbo. Why is it you think Viciedo cannot be any better than he has been? There certainly have been flashes of brilliance. And you know as well as anyone, Viciedo is not going to be a guy who has no need for a glove any time soon.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) I didn't pay close attention, but I mainly noticed people arguing the merits of it being a class act. AJ is a dick and an asshole but he is a good player. Frankly, I think that's the highest compliment you can pay the guy. Give it up. The thread was about AJ wearing Hawk's number. If you don't think THAT is a class act, fine, say something about that. Not about some other crap.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) Yeah, I'm not in the whole arguing just to argue thing today. It's a bit of everything Dick. If you are really content with a .740 OPS from a DH, then I'll let you be happy with it. Personally, I think that's terrible and want nothing to do with it. If he proves this year that he can hit really well this year and the Sox come up with another outfielder from somewhere, then by all means, let him DH full time, f*** it. I'm not counting on it, and I don't want the White Sox to go out of their way to acquire a guy to be a full time DH, instead using it to keep guys fresh while keeping bats in the lineup and improving your ability to play matchups. If you want to argue with that, go ahead. If you are alternating DH's you will be lucky to get a .700 OPS from that position. Besides, Viciedo is years away from being strictly a DH. Keep in mind Mark Trumbo coming off a .234/.294/.741 year netted Hector Santiago and a guy who was a top 10 prospect last year in Tyler Skaggs as a slugger, who really should be a DH.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) I have always really liked Eaton in general but playing in Reno can really help a hitter. The ball flies out of that place. May have something to do with the success even though I really do like Eaton and think it's a great move. That's the problem. Good hitters put up good numbers. Bad hitters put up good numbers. That is probably why there is some divide on him in scouting reports. The Sox finally have someone Keith Law likes. For once, I hope he's right.