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One thing I like about Brady Hoke is he always dresses like it's about 70 degrees.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 29, 2013 -> 04:57 PM) The Sox don't have a catcher to replace AJ's production, Avi's too inexperienced to count on replacing Rios' numbers just yet, same can be said about Abreu replacing Paulie's numbers and despite Alexei's base stealing going up his power has been on a steady decline and we have no idea what to expect from Dunn. We also have no idea what to expect from a possibile healthy full season of Viciedo or Beckham, and not sure what to expext from Gillespie for that matter. I wasn't avoiding DA's point at all as I was ignoring it because there wasn't a realistic point to be made in the first place. Too many unknowns and Granderson won't be able to solve all that! He is just one potential plug on a team with many holes. It isn't realistic if people play like they did last year, but players do play better and many get worse. Coming into 2012, no one thought AJ could put up the numbers he put up. Obviously a lot will have to go right, but that isn't unreasonable . I don't think Granderson will be a White Sox, I just don't understand, especially with limits on what you can pay draft picks and most international guys, why you can't build your minor leagues and try to win at the major league level. There are a few teams that seem to be able to do it.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 29, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Couldn't agree more. I understand how its hard for some to accept when you want your favorite team to win but the truth is that this rebuild has been coming for a few years now giving the aging players and weak talent in the upper minor leagues. I'm no genius but for me this was easy to see coming and completly necessary. I don't understand why you can't try to win and strengthen your minor league system at the same time. I can understand laying off some player because you have a prospect ready to give it a whirl at the major league level, but the Sox prospects are having problems hitting .200 in the minor leagues. There really isn't an OF that seems like he should be ready to roll this year or next.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 29, 2013 -> 12:41 PM) Yeah I've been surprised by the amount of people who want to hold on and not embrace a rebuild. Not saying I haven't seen a good amount of people rooting for a rebuild, but there are just way more people who are delusional about the talent on the current roster. Curtis Granderson isn't going to make our horrible offense any less horrible. The Sox are 1 year removed from being 4th in the AL in runs scored. I don't know why someone would have to be delusional to think that that kind of offense can re-appear fairly quickly with a couple of correct moves. It is almost as if people who want the Sox to rebuild seem to think it's a guarantee rebuilds work over the course of a few years. Look at reality. It really isn't.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:54 AM) The Bulls shouldn't not care one iota about what the fans think. It is about what is best for the franchise. Bulls fans will show up no matter what, which allows them to do a proper rebuild. I understand that, but realistically if you have a Rose at 75% of what he was, Butler, Mirotic, Noah, that is a team that isn't going to get into the lottery and a team that isn't going to win a championship. The proper rebuild, if you are convinced Rose will not be the player he was is to dump everyone who is good, perhaps Rose himself.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) I would argue he's had 1 major knee surgery. The other surgery is not very major but unfortunately requires a long rehab time. I have zero doubt that Rose will have the same athleticism as before (I had that doubt when he went down 2 years ago), however, the question is whether he will be able to be healthy. I totally agree with this. He didn't lose any of the athleticism from his ACL tear. And a lot of players have gone through a meniscus tear, and like you said, it seems to be more a lengthy rehab than a major skill killer especially if it wasn't removed. The fact that it wasn't removed from what I read showed it could be repaired which is a good sign. The question is whether or not once he gets healthy, he can stay healthy, how he is mentally with the knees. Those are major questions.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:47 AM) Placing the future of your franchise on to a guy who has had two major need surgeries is borderline negligence. I am saying that as a fan. It is the only way the Bulls have a legit chance at a title the next 5 years. You can draft a couple more Jimmy Butlers, and Mirotic can be a really good player and you can still win 55 games during the regular season, but the hardest thing to acquire is stars, and the Bulls are really in a tougher position than most to do that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) decisions have to be made, players have to be moved. You dont sit there and worry "what if Mirotic isnt a star?" and "what if Rose isnt the same?". You start freeing up money and trying to build from the floor up. This front office got into the trouble they are in by over valuing their core and being unwilling to change it. And as I have pointed out, they aren't going to be able to free up the money most think they can free up even if they dump a ton. The other problem is, even if they can agree to a sign and trade, wintering in Chicago doesn't seem to hold much appeal to NBA players. The Bulls only hope IMO is if Rose comes back as the Derrick Rose we saw win an MVP. Then many of the problems are solved.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) So what, you hold on to guys that are only going to get older and worse instead of stockpiling as many young players/assets as you can? I'm just saying it isn't as easy as that. Dump Deng, Boozer and Hinrich add Mirotic. Rose returns less than the player he has been. You have $10 million in cap space. Get a mid first round pick. You now are in NBA hell. A team too good to be in the lottery, let alone have a good chance of landing in the top 2 or 3 picks, and a team not nearly good enough to win a championship. Assuming Rose is never again the player he was, if you are going to blow it up, the only way that makes sense is to dump everybody. Rose and Noah included.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) That is the entire point to rebuilding now. They don't need to wait two years to find out that a guy who has had two major knee surgeries might not be the same player anymore. The problem is he will still probably be too good to let them be real bad, and too expensive to let them add a max or near max guy. They should start trying to re-build, but they have a lot of stuff in their way.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle...o-tell-the-tale Wasn't that Teague on a video at the pre-draft camp missing just about every shot he took?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) Which is why you go after younger players (like q proposed) that you think you can develop and can help you long-term. Stars win in the playoffs. Maybe Mirotic will be a star, but if he's Toni Kukoc, he's a really nice player, but complimentary. After the top 3 in this draft, it still is a crapshoot with really nice players who may or may not be guys who lead teams to championships. The Bulls more than likely won't be selecting very high this draft. Detroit is currently out of the lottery. The Charlotte pick may not even be a lottery pick. Again, if Rose isn't Rose, the Bulls championship dreams are toast until they find another star.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Which is exactly why they need to blow it up. Yet you still hear people go "I dunno, they should hold it together one more year." But even if you blow it up, it isn't going to help the Bulls that much. Get rid of Deng, Boozer, Hinrich, you have enough money to add a Taj Gibson-like player. If Rose isn't Rose, the Bulls will be screwed for a long time.

So if Deng and Hinrich get off the books and Boozer is amnestied, I read where the Bulls still only will have about $10 million in cap space. Any huge free agent will have to take a huge discount or there will have to be a sign and trade.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:45 PM) Navarro is not getting anywhere close to $10M a year. Ruiz just get under $9M per and has a much better track record. I'll say 1 or 2 years at $5/$6M per tops. I bet he doesn't get that much.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:12 PM) I'd take him for like 2-3 years for $15-20M. But with the contract McCann got, it wouldn't shock me to see Navarro get $10M a year from someone. Are you hiring?

What could the Bulls realistically get for Deng?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 01:43 PM) So there are reports coming out that Cutler may be done for the season with a torn tendon in his ankle. Awesome. I don't know how long he can keep it up, but losing Cutler hasn't cost the Bears a game, and with that defense, they aren't winning in the playoffs anyway.

Why don't you go back and read my initial response. I only said his math was off. I wasn't being argumentative. He responded with a different argument. You are a moderator. Why don't you just be fair instead of trying to rip certain posters for nothing?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 11:40 AM) You can make them into two different things for arguments sake. Again, to me, it was pretty obvious what he was saying. If you check out my first response, I said his math was off as the Sox made one move, he mentioned 5 or 6 others, and said that was 80-85% done. He was the one that made something else out of it, not me. So you agree, the Sox offseason is 80-85% done.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 07:42 AM) But it requires the Bulls to take on whatever bad contract is being sent back unless you're getting a currently-expiring deal, and a "high dollar currently expiring deal" has significant value to teams trying to get under the cap this year, so acquiring Boozer would hurt that. The Bulls would probably have to send something along like a draft pick to sweeten the deal there. Some team might want Boozer. If you appreciate what he is and not what you think he should be, he isn't a bad player.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 07:48 AM) It's November, dear lord. Wait until the free agency settles in a bit. Santiago will have more value after a couple more Vargas deals. You are right. Generally, free agent signings come before most trades. The Winter Meetings have become free agent signings central. No need to panic, besides the Sox have already made a major move, something the majority of teams cannot say.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 24, 2013 -> 05:20 PM) I'd call it extremely unlikely that they would trade Boozer and frankly it's probably a bad idea to take back someone else's bad contract to do so. Boozer can still be amnestied this offseason. Anyone they take back for Boozer cannot be amnestied (and any team that trades for Boozer also cannot amnesty him). To the Bulls he's almost an expiring contract in the sense that he won't be in the way next year if they don't want him to be. While they can amnesty him, trading him does cancel out having to pay him the difference between his contract and what another team is willing to pay him. There still is a financial obligation. It just isn't counted against the cap.

What's the big deal? The Sox added Javy as a 5th starter 8 years ago and were paying him $11 million.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 01:36 AM) Okay, we'll do an over/under. I think the White Sox payroll won't increase by more than $7.5 million before Opening Day. (In fact, if we trade Ramirez, it might realistically be even quite a bit lower than it is today.) Which side of that bet are you on? Now, of course, to put the moves in terms of a percentage...percentage of what? Dollars? Total moves? Impact of those moves? All of the 3B that would be upgrades are guys we would only control for 1 or 2 seasons like Headley or Sandoval. And Hahn's said repeatedly that he won't make those kind of short-term deals that hamper the team's ability to compete in 2015/2016/2017. You said the signing of Abreu was 80-85% of the White Sox offseason, and then mentioned about 6 other things that will or could be done. 80-85% would indicate at least 4/5ths of the White Sox offseason is complete, which is ridiculous. And I will take the over anyway. JR mentioned the money is there to add, and they were embarrassed by last season. It more than indicates they want nothing to do with a 90-100 loss season in 2014. So thinking they are dumping Alexei and playing rookies everywhere is unfounded.