Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 24, 2013 -> 07:12 PM) 80-85% of what's going to happen is already finished with the Abreu signing. That essentially leaves catching upgrades, 3B (and that's only going to happen via trade) and whether or not they trade Alexei Ramirez or wait until mid-season as the only mysteries. I think your math leaves a lot to be desired.

That was a turrble call

Helmet to helmet

Ball will be at the worst place it can be for the Bears offense. The opponents one.

I think that interference call was weak. First, I think the actual interference was questionable, and no way he catches that ball inbounds. He actually did catch the pass.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 24, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nln3TyhH2c...eature=youtu.be Pretty informative video of Blake Griffin's torn medial meniscus He has had 2 meniscus tears and a broken kneecap.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) This is great f***ing news. While not great news, it is beyond awesome compared with what most of us thought.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 03:12 PM) And the 6 FBS teams Iowa beat are a combined 22-42, including a staggering 8-33 conference record. They won the games they were supposed to win, although they should have beaten NIU. A bad INT in the last few minutes did them in. A big improvement over last season. Most prognosticators had them winning 4 or 5 games this year.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 02:16 PM) Boom goes the dynamite...Hawkeyes win!!! The 4 teams That beat Iowa are a combined 39-3, and really 40-2 as a victory was stolen from Wisconsin.

Isn't a sprain technically a small tear. From what has been posted by alleged insiders, and having the Portland doctor look at him, I think they know it is an ACL injury, and the MRI is confirming how bad. Hopefully I am very wrong.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) No it was in the last minute of the game and there is some science that suggests ACL injuries can be related to fatigue. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19568192 https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstre....pdf?sequence=2 But whats done is done. So the key would be never to have a fatigued Rose playing. I don't know exactly how you do that in the NBA.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) Fans read too much into injuries and injury prevention, imo. We're talking about human bodies that are being monitored daily by the best minds in medicine. I don't buy in the slightest that Derrick's first injury was avoidable. It was avoidable in the sense that if he didn't play he wouldn't get hurt. But these were non contact injuries, so it seems to me they were most likely going to happen eventually.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way. It isn't that easy to get that type of star. The Bulls were horrible a long time and couldn't draft one. The just got lucky with the lottery. The other thing that will hold it back is Rose's contract if he can't play at a high level anymore. If Rose is suddenly average to a little better, the Bulls are screwed.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Not sure I agree with this. Rose never really had a significant injury prior to the ACL. The truly tragic part is that may have all been due to a the lockout/short season. He mised a ton of time during that season with all sorts of injuries.maybe a miracle happens and this one isn't as bad as most fear.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) Maybe you werent, but it sure seemed like it. And quite frankly I never thought this Bulls team would win a championship, ive wanted to trade assets for years to get a better core that made more sense. As for Thibs, no one has b****ed/moaned/complained about how he has treated players than me. So you are preaching to the choir. And thats why I was so angry, because I honestly believe that his first injury was avoidable. I think this injury shows the first injury was inevitable.

For the third time now, my debit card with Chase has had fraudulent charges attempted to be charged against it. Chase did catch them and denied payment, but I had to cancel the card get a new one. After the last time, i vowed to not use it except to withdraw cash, and I only withdraw cash at Chase machines, and only at branches and Walgreens. Does anyone have any idea how the thieves are getting my card info.

The one thing this deal does show is the money in Detroit is starting to dry up a bit. Illitch is pretty close to his ceiling

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 09:08 AM) I'm not saying his WAR is irrelevant. I actually really don't mind that contract for the Royals. It initially seemed like an overpay, but it's really not a bad deal. It's league average production for about league average rate. He's just a soft tosser who doesn't have a ton of upside which is why people have been overreacting. I think it's a perfectly acceptable, if boring, move for the Royals. I don't even have a problem with you comparing the WAR of a pitcher to the WAR of a hitter. The point of WAR is to try and be able to generally quantify the value of hitters and pitchers so we can value their production properly and compare them to one another. The only problem I have is you comparing Vargas over the last 4 years to Saltalamacchia over the last 4 years. As I said, if you want to make that comparison, my comparison of Halladay to Sale is on the table. Saltalamacchia has only had significant playing time over the last 3 years. Using 30 plate appearances from 4 years ago is absolutely ridiculous. #1) What players did 4 years ago is, for the most part, completely irrelevant to what they do today. Carl Crawford had a 7.4 WAR and Andres Torres had a 6.6 WAR in 2010. Do you want to bring them in and give them big deals? #2) Tying into that, recent production is much more relevant, applicable, and likely to be repeated. As has been pointed out 3 years - Saltalamacchia 7.1, Vargas 4.5 2 years - Saltalamacchia 5.5, Vargas 2.3 1 year - Saltalamacchia 3.6, Vargas 1.5 Don't you think you'd like to give out a contract based on those numbers, or do you still want to give out big deals to Colby Lewis, Tommy Hanson, Roy Oswalt, and Chad Billingsley? I picked 4 years because that was the length of the contract and Vargas is of the age where the 4 years are reasonably consistent.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 08:27 AM) It's not even cherry picking but flat out out lying. Jarrod Saltalamacchia had 30 plate appearances at the major league level 4 years ago. That's complete and utter chickens*** to use that sort of argument. Roy Halladay has a 15.8 WAR over the last 4 years while Chris Sale's is only 11.7. Are you going to take Roy Halladay over Chris Sale or are you going to admit that the argument you used was absolutely stupid and the timeline manipulative and wrong? Not even close. Just keep in mind, when I did my quick number and didn't look at AB, I gave Salty a 7.3 WAR. It is 6.9 for his career, and he had significant AB prior. Are you saying Vargas' WAR is irrelevant? That his contract is out of line? It wasn't manipulative, at least intentionally, and it wasn't really meant as a knock on Salty, although admittedly I don't want the sox to spend that money on him. It was comparative. A lot of people love Salty at $10 million per, but say the Royals are fools to give this guy, $8 million per. The Royals have a pitching need. I'm sure there are more people here than me who thought Ervin Santana was a waste of money last year, but it worked out fine for them. This probably will too, at least for the first couple of seasons. They have a big park. Vargas does well in big parks.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:51 AM) A. You just got owned. B. Your avatar creeps me out. C. Justin Vargas and Salty play different positions. There is no relevance. I do think it's funny it is cherry picking when I choose adding WAR that gives a guy a higher WAR than his career total. So what if they play different positions. The Royals need a pitcher, not a catcher and isn't a 2 WAR a 2 WAR no matter what position they play? If its $5 million per WAR, he has to average. 1.6 per to be "worth it". If it is $6 million per WAR, 1.3. He has averaged 1.8. I don't understand how that is a bad overpay. It probably is too long, but most pitchers contracts are too long.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 11:06 PM) Salty has had over 1.5 WAR in three straight seasons. I don't know why you picked the last four seasons considering Salty played 12 games in 2010. I was just looking at the WAR numbers not the games. I actually threw out the negative WAR he had up until then, and thought 4 years because of the contract length.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 11:01 PM) When have I ever said anything about Roy Oswalt? That was supposed to be for chili.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:49 PM) Lol...keep spinning this every way you can. Despite your claim that Salty's value is primarily based on one season, his WARs in 2011 & 2012 would still be higher than Vargas's WARs in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Regardless, this is such a ridiculous argument on so many levels. Almost as ridiculous as giving Roy Oswalt $5 million.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:49 PM) Lol...keep spinning this every way you can. Despite your claim that Salty's value is primarily based on one season, his WARs in 2011 & 2012 would still be higher than Vargas's WARs in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Regardless, this is such a ridiculous argument on so many levels. No spin. I,m just saying if this guy isn't worth what he got, Salty isn't worth 25% more.based on WAR, you have to admit the yearly salary isn't out of line.and his value is based on 1 season. He was 3.6 this year. 6.9 for his career.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) You've got to be the king of cherry-picking stats. Why don't we look at just the last 3 years? Salty at 7.1 vs Vargas at 4.5. Or how about the last 2 years? Salty at 5.5 vs Vargas at 2.3. Or maybe just last year? Salty at 3.6 vs Vargas at 1.5. Nope, let's purposely include the year (2010) when Salty had 30 plate appearances in order to make some bogus claim. We all get you think Salty sucks. Do you really have to derail a completed unrelated thread with this nonsense? The bottom lime is this guy has averaged 1.8 WAR the last 4 years. I have read WAR is worth $5 million to $6 million per. So the last 4 years he has been worth at least $36 million, so why is this an overpay.