Dick Allen

QUOTE (DukeofChicagoA1 @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:46 PM) I think I heard the royals just recently replaced their hitting coach with George Brett. I believe Stone said it earlier but I could be wrong. If that is the case, we should fire Manto and hire Thomas. Yeah, emulating the Royals seems to be a good idea.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:42 PM) Should get rid of Gillaspie, he sucks. Anyone who doesn't think so is a SOXTALK MEATHEAD.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:38 PM) I think his arm probably has an average age of 30, what with the injections and all. I just remember him leaving a game in the 1990s with a shoulder or elbow problem, and its not like he takes care of himself. Stem cells may be the way to go for some guys who can't make it back conventionally.

There is no way I would have though Colon would be pitching in the majors at 40.

The Sox are so stupid letting Axelrod start. He has allowed a hit this game.

I just read Josh Beckett's fingers are still numb. He may have to retire.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 31, 2013 -> 01:10 PM) But you will gladly take finishing in second or third every year just because it means being competitive for most of the year? If things go right, it means playoffs. Why do you gladly want to finish in last? Is Mark Appel that much better than Chris Sale? I posted a list of Tampa #1 picks over the years. Price and Longoria were studs. No one else provided much help to the Rays. And they are considered ultra-successful developing players. I don't know who made everyone think in order for an organization to be good at developing players, they have to have an awful major league team. It simply isn't true. This isn't the NBA. I also don't know who also said getting bad and selecting high every draft guarantees you future success. The reality is if the Sox tanked like some around here want them to, in 5 or 6 or more years, finishing 2nd or 3rd would make them do cartwheels.

I hope they never go into a full rebuild, and everyone that wants that probably will hate it. Just for fun I went back to my 2010 Baseball Prospectus and took a look at their top 100 prospects. They listed 101 that year. Strasburg was #1, Mike Trout #52. If you traded your entire organization for those 101 players, while you would have a couple of studs, I don't think you have a playoff team. Considering the state of the Sox farm system, getting rid of productive players for prospects will probably mean at least 6 years of being really bad.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 31, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) I hope you aren't suggesting that I ever inferred that Gordon Beckham is the savior. I was the first to turn on that bust. Being the first guy on a message board to declare someone sucks is really quite an accomplishment. Congratulations. I'm sure your family is very proud.

This thread was started in 2007. Here's the Sox opening day line up that season. 1. Pablo Ozuna LF 2. Darin Erstad CF 3. Jim Thome DH 4. Paul Konerko 1B 5. Jermaine Dye RF 6. Joe Crede 3B 7. Tadahito Iguchi 2B 8. A.J. Pierzynski C 9. Juan Uribe SS

Clearly, the reason most of us aren't sitting on $100 million or so right now is because we failed to get the proper coaching growing up.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:04 AM) Phil Rogers also suggests releasing Dunn and trading for Ethier at a reduced rate to replace him. That is absurd. Ethier is locked in until 2017 at $85 million and is strictly a platoon player as well at this point. Phil Rogers being the lead baseball writer for the biggest newspaper in the country's 3rd largest market has been and is a complete joke. He didn't suggest that. He mentioned Eithier was available and wondered if the Dodgers would eat enough money to make the Sox consider picking him up, releasing Dunn and making Viciedo the DH. He also mentioned how paying Eithier through 2017 vs. paying Dunn through next year complicates it even more.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) I did. This series just doesn't mean as much to either side of town as it once did. Sure it's great to have city-bragging rights for a couple of days but then we all have to go back to the reality that we are all watching a couple of 70-85 win teams. I think part of it is the games are during the week, and the Cubs aren't drawing as well as they used to for any team. Even the Cubs are starting to have problems drawing people to watch awful baseball. Obviously, their definition of a poor crowd is very different from others.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2013 -> 07:12 AM) Did anyone note that even Wrigley drew under 32k paying fans for each game? I wondered why Caulfied hasn't posted something about the impending doom of the franchise.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) Jimmy Butler being a future stud is actually based on visual and statistical evidence, not off a hot April. ok

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 31, 2013 -> 08:40 AM) I'll do that in another thread. This thread is for the hilarity that is SOXTALK MEATHEADS falling in love with Gillaspie over a few hits. Like you and Jimmy Butler. I agree if Gillaspie is considered a building block, that's just crazy at this point, but he has done pretty well up until now. Why don't you let him suck before you declare he sucks? Just saying a guy sucks when he hasn't is probably a more accurate trait of a SOXTALK MEATHEAD.

How come if White Sox put up these kind of numbers, the team needs to move on from them as soon as possible, but if he's with another team, he's potentially a great player?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2013 -> 02:55 PM) I would love if they brought in Matt Silverman from the Rays organization. They just need a clean reboot....fair or not, Hahn's too closely identified with the KW regime. I think if they think Hahn is qualified to be the GM, let him be the GM. Let KW spend his time with his soon to be new wife. If JR wants to give him a golden parachute, good for KW, but his position as not GM but technically Hahn's boss is ridiculous. If he doesn't want to be the GM, get out of the way, and I say that knowing KW has said he would stay out of the way. I just think his being there puts him in the way no matter what.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 30, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) He will do what KW wants. I don't like that dynamic. If you were working for someone for many years and he decides to move on and you get his job, if he is still there and technically your boss even though he insists he won't interfere, and goes to great lengths not do, you have to be affected by his presence.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 30, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) He has future 1b all over him. Perhaps. If they could get him to improve enough where he makes some of the simple plays he screws up, he could be decent in LF. His arm is great for run prevention. The rest of him in the OF is great for run creation.

QUOTE (mike89128 @ May 30, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) Viciendo has been a complete liability since he came back from the DL.This entire team needs a make-over. Actually he was hitting really well right when he came back. He has made some curiously bad defensive plays in LF, but has thrown out a few guys. He's had plenty of being a liability for sure, but it's been a mixed bag since he came back.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ May 30, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) It's Soxtalk waa waa time That's pretty much 24/7/365 as the kids like to say.

I'm glad I didn't go to Wrigley this year. There is nothing more annoying than being at Wrigley when the Cubs are beating anybody, let alone the White Sox. I'd rather go out and listen to Marty for 6 hours.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 30, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) We were just 4 games back from 1st in our division. Your judgement is very cloudy when dealing with the Cubs. Probably, but we are seeing the same things over and over. It may be time to send a message to someone. Anyone.

Rios missed 5 games all of last year, and his second best season in 2007, he missed one. Playing 51 out of 51 is no big deal.