Dick Allen

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 18, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) ~36 mill for 5 years? accurate? Did you not pay attention to the amount Mark Buehrle made? And here's one thing we can all agree on: Danks > Buehrle at this point. So......... I would say over the next 5 years, Danks will average out to about $6 million a year more than Latos which is $30 million more expensive. Again, its not as if Latos will be making minimum for 5 years. He's going to get paid pretty well fairly soon.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2011 -> 10:20 AM) Try at least doubling that number. Latos is going to be getting paid as well. I'd say my figure is fairly accurate.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 18, 2011 -> 07:52 AM) This is pretty despicable if you ask me... How are they allowed to get away with it? Occupy the Marlins How can they hope to get away with this? And if they do, what the hell is wrong with baseball/sports/this country? What's happening here is no different than every other state that was held hostage for a stadium, including IL for the White Sox. In fact, in the White Sox case, the Governor told the White Sox they would have to hold the state hostage to get anything done. So while JR wins awards for being charitable, which is commendable, just remember, he's also been the receipient of "charity" many more times over.

QUOTE (JDsDirtySox @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) I love the White Sox like everyone here... but John Danks isn't Mat Latos. Sure they are close, but Latos is a rising star, and the Reds control him for 5 more years. I think they made a great deal. Danks will cost at least $30 million more the next five years, but he still should bring back a nice return. IMO he winds up with the Yankees.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) I would be, simply because if I am a Padre fan, I believe the only way we can be successful is to get lucky with a core of young, cost-controlled studs all coming together in a relatively short time. They weren't going to win anything before Latos becomes expensive and they are trying to trade him for one of those prospects instead of all of those prospects. SD hitters have probably the biggest drop off in home vs road splits. I think established hitters can handle it. Its going to be tough for the young guys trying to break in hitting in that park. It could ruin them. Besides Adrian Gonzalez, has anyone had much luck hitting in that place?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) Well, the situations are different. Part of the downside of rebuilding is having to take that risk on the unknown versus the known. And then you have what SD and Oakland are doing, which is really frightening, to be honest, in that they are trading away the young cost-controlled studs, which are the very essence of why you acquire prospects in the first place, for more prospects, in the hope that you can either hit on more than one of those prospects (what SD is doing), or you can time a wave of talent to hit the MLB level all at one time (what the A's are doing). What bugs me about the SD trade is that the Reds gave them Volquez as well, who you know they are going to move at the deadline after he builds value in Petco, and quite possibly get ANOTHER prospect that could turn into what they just traded away in Latos. I guess what I am getting at is prospects are not unlike back up QBs. They seem to be a lot more popular until people actually see them playing when it matters. I'm not exactly thrilled if I'm a Padre fan right now.

If the Sox received the same package SD just received in exchange for Danks, how long until they are in contention? Seems to me the only sure thing is Latos. The others MAY be good, they MAY really suck, the MAY be average. Obviously you have to look at how long the players are controlled and you would roll the dice with this package considering Danks only has one year left, but I really don't think SD fleeced the Reds. There is a decent chance its the other way around.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) They were interested in Martinez, but never even made an offer. Detroit made their offer and he signed pretty much immediately. Williams and company pretty much said this right after he signed, almost verbatum. Wasn't Martinez cheaper than Dunn?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 07:53 AM) If there was any worry out there... VizquelOmar13 Omar Vizquel No I won't RT @Kmart0307: @VizquelOmar13 Omar! Are you coming back to the #WhiteSox next season?! I think you should! VizquelOmar13 Omar Vizquel Believe it RT @baseballpat54: @VizquelOmar13 do you plan on playing baseball next season? Omar was slamming the White Sox for treating him like an old man last season and not playing him. He may go to Miami to be with Ozzie. Didn't Ozzie say he made the f***ing line ups?

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 04:00 AM) From an outsider's perspective I think there's pluses and minuses for both of them. In the regular season, I think Rip will be a decent enough fit on both sides of the ball. Come playoff time though, opposing teams are obviously going to focus on Rose and try to make the other guys on the court beat you. That's where I think Crawford would come in real handy in a series against a Miami or a Boston, he can create his own shot and easily put up 20+ points, and would help lighten the load on Rose. Rip obviously can't create his own shot, and that's the major difference b/w the 2. So you're saying other teams are going to focus on Rose, that's going to leave Rip alone. He'll be able to find an open spot. As long as his body holds up, he'll help the Bulls as much as Crawford if not more in the playoffs because he will play defense. Crawford can score, but he can give it right back on the other end. My only concern is physical. Crawford stands a better chance of holding up IMO. Plus that mask Rip wears bugs me.

The fans did enough for JR to approve a $127 million payroll. I don't see where there can be blame placed there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2011 -> 06:58 PM) Which is ironic, because Thornton's career was on the ropes when he was dumped for Borchard after underachieving for so long in SEA. Cooper is almost singlehandedly responsible for Matt being set for life financially. Mentally, the guy just wasn't the right one to be the closer...and perhaps he still holds some grudges against some of the coaches?? Which is, once again, why Danks/Thornton being traded would suprise absolutely nobody in baseball. That's a great point. Thornton is probably selling cars if Cooper didn't fix him. If he did pop off, and we really have no idea, everyone thought the veteran who wanted to go if the Sox went young was AJ and he said no, or Peavy, and he and Cowley don't seem to have the same story, so that's doubtful, its weak sauce. I really think its probably a made up quote, but what a classy thing to do on twitter, rip Gonzo, the beat writer who is better than Cowley ever could be.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) In this case I believe Mrs Pujols. The cards low-balled a guy who would have stayed for a discount. Pretty big mistake. At least they made an offer.

Cliff's notes version of a Cowley "column" concerning the White Sox: KW and Cooper are assholes, Ozzie is God. They are all pretty much the same thing. He "interviews" Danks, then has quotes from an unnamed pitcher. Who is that pitcher? Its not Danks. Its not Floyd, Cowley tells everyone how stupid he is all the time, couldn't use him as a legitimate source. I'm guessing its not Buehrle, he doesn't seem to have a problem with Cooper and wanted to come back, and its not Peavy, he said he has no problem with Cooper. Who can it be? Santos? Doubtful. The only one it really could be IMO is Thornton, so someone should ask Thornton if those were his quotes. I believe the pitcher could be Cowley. He didn't say it was a White Sox pitcher. He probably pitches whiffle balls to his kid so he can call himself a pitcher.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) So I trust Peavy is getting the offseason he was looking forward to in September, and he's preparing for his 34 starts and 220 innings. Where's that quote? That's in a file to be printed during Spring Training, the day after the Dunn in the best shape of his life piece.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:31 PM) Can you believe how wrong Cowley got that? Here is the Peavy quote on top from the Trib and Cowley's column below. In your continuing quest to be Soxtalk's biggest smartass you missed the premise of Cowley's article. You probably also missed the print edition which had a big color picture of Cooper on the backpage hinting at all the trouble he's created. Then to make your smart ass retort look accurate you left off this Peavy quote from my post: "But let's be real: The Sox don't win a World Series without Mark Buehrle, and look at what Coop has done over the years. It takes time to know someone. I have no problems with (Cooper)." If Peavy has no problems with Cooper, Cowley's article is like his Thornton to ATL crap. Totally bogus, although we did get to find out Danks spent time at a Home Depot. Peavy apparently has a problem with Ozzie or Ozzie has a problem with Peavy or both, but Cowley never mentioned that. Go figure.

I think they need to ditch the dancing on the dugouts, and bring in competive eating. See who can suck back a nacho helmet first in between innings. You win an autographed picture and a trip to see the doctors they promote during the game.

With De Aza and Viciedo playing almost everyday, there's really no place for Kubel although he would look good in the middle of the line up. I think Cuddyer would obviously help the Sox but they aren't going to add what he's going to be paid.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) I wouldn't say LOTS. Go back to the thread signing posts that week. You won't find many. Why did Dunn sign the contract in the first place, if he and his agent had these concerns about transitioning to the AL/DH role? 56 million reasons why he signed the contract. There was absolutely no reason to think Dunn would be as bad as he was, but there were plenty of red flags to think he could struggle. One of those certainly was his earlier reluctance to be a DH.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 06:13 AM) The only quote from Danks about Cooper is him saying that Cooper and Peavy need to sit down and hash things out. The other quotes about how Cooper was different before his contract extension were from "one pitcher". Cowley tried (but failed) to make it look like Cooper and Danks had issues. Who was the "one pitcher" that talked about Cooper's behavior? That would be a better and more accurate story. Exactly. The only fence that needs to be mended is by Cowley so that he can write objectively about the White Sox. Don't you have to pay to read the Sun Times now? Maybe they figured they can't charge people to read his work. Its a pretty empty article trying to trick you into thinking Danks is giving you some information someone else is supposedly supplying. Just like when Cowley said Thornton to ATL was picking up steam last week, the ATL writer said it was total BS. Cowardly backed off and said he didn't say it was going to happen, only getting close. If you notice, when he tries breaking a story, he always leaves a lot of leeway in there so he can say he was right. I can do that too. Right now I will tell you my sources are reporting Prince Fielder will sign with the Cubs, Mariners or a mystery team. My ass is covered. This is interesting, from the Tribune, its Jake Peavy: "I'm not, in any way, bashing Ozzie," Peavy said in a telephone interview. "He took this franchise to the World Series (in 2005), and now he has a chance to fulfill a challenge in Miami. But we all saw (Guillen's departure) needed to happen — for both sides. I don't think it's a shock what I'm saying. We have a fresh face (Ventura) with a new attitude and a guy who is highly respected." "Ozzie didn't care for me at the end because I was shut down," Peavy said. "It didn't end on good terms. The one thing about it, Coop and I have an open relationship. There was one time where I disagreed about something he said about me being on and off after coming back from the surgery, and I told him about it. "But let's be real: The Sox don't win a World Series without Mark Buehrle, and look at what Coop has done over the years. It takes time to know someone. I have no problems with (Cooper)." Looks like Peavy and Ozzie need to mend some fences. Joe is wrong again.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 12, 2011 -> 05:31 PM) Wow. The Marlins could be in some serious s*** come 2014 and 2015. Isn't Reyes due $66 million over the last 3 years of his contract? You're right. No one will trade for Mark unless the Marlins pick up a lot of the money. The contract offered to Pujols was backloaded as well. I think Loria is hoping to win, make a ton of money, sell and let the balance of the contracts be someone else's problem. If this team flops and attendance doesn't remain high, firesale in Miami.

Howard is now basically saying he wants to be traded because they wouldn't let him be the GM.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) Point is, Danks value is less than Santos. If Williams asks for player A from the Red Sox for Santos, he is not going to get him for Danks most likely. I really doubt you are correct. I also would doubt KW would be inclined to trade Danks for what he got for Santos. Personally, I think KW knows what he can get for Danks, Floyd, Thornton, Quentin, but is holding off for a couple of reasons. Obviously hoping the bid goes higher, and I don't think he really wants his firesale to be completed before season ticket money is due. Its due Wednesday. If the Sox really are dumping guys, I would look for that to start a few days after the due date.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) Point is, Danks value is less than Santos. If Williams asks for player A from the Red Sox for Santos, he is not going to get him for Danks most likely. I really doubt you are correct.

Boozer got hair plugs this past offseason.