Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 01:52 PM) Unless it is in his contract that he can do that, his contract would be invalid at the point he leaves the job as GM. Unless you can show me the ability to switch jobs is in his deal, which I really seriously doubt, it is Kenny offering to leave his contracted position. Unless you show me his contract specifically says he must be the GM to collect his paycheck, I disagree. I'm very confident it does not.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2011092...orts/709299659/ The big thing you are missing is if JR accepts Kenny's offer of resigning from his position, his contract is then invalid. Unless it expressly guarantees him a lesser position at the same price as an option, his contract is for his position as general manager. It doesn't matter if he offers to be a scout instead, unless it is expressly spelled out in the deal. At the point where Jerry said yes, it is a new deal and the old one invalid based on the agreement of both of the contracted parties. The rollover clause is irrelevant because overwhelming odds are it is for his job as GM. Not necessarily . He technically didn't offer to resign, and he knew the answer to the question: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/...his-resignation He offered to switch jobs. If KW told JR he didn't want to be a GM anymore, he, after some questioning by JR, wouldn't be the GM. Its interesting he mentions Hendry. The only difference between KW and Hendry may be Bartman.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) Jordan Danks is exactly what people have been clamoring for when it comes to draft spending. Draft and pay based on where they should have gone. The results of that in retrospect are hindsight. He was and is a waste of money.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 01:24 PM) I sure couldn't find it. Link? I don't have the link. I read it a year ago, it might have been on mlbtraderumors.com. Do you have a link to the offer of resignation? Here's a similar one, but it appears outdated: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensa...ots/?page_id=84

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 01:18 PM) Kenny's salary probably wouldn't play a big role in determining whether he was the guy you wanted to keep his job or not. Apparently it probably isn't even enough to sign a Cuban to pitch for Kannapolis, but it would be significant I would think for KW, especially since he probably would have to accept a lesser role with another organization since GM jobs are really limited and he has made some questionable moves lately. KW knew as I know and you know and everyone else knows, if JR didn't want KW to be the GM, he wouldn't be the GM. So it was pretty obvious how he would respond to KW's offer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) When did you see Kenny Williams contract? It was on one of the contract sites. He has an automatic rollover and a one year severance if he gets fired.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) So in essence it is different because the Marlins had already been tampering with ozzie? That is a pretty weak argument. No, its different because Ozzie, who was under contract for 2012 and was not fired, quit because HE wanted to leave, not because JR wanted him to quit. KW offered to change positions if JR wanted him to no longer be the GM.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) You have no idea if that is actually true or not, but yet you keep repeating it. I'd really like to see some actual proof of that. As for the beginning it is proof that offering a resignation means you are offering to resign. It is out of your control what your boss does with it. Just because you imagine he didn't think Jerry would accept it, doesn't make it any less legally binding. Yes I do. Its in his contract. And for the 3rd time, he didn't offer to resign. He offered to switch positions. If he offered to resign, and JR accepted, he'd be out some money. If he switched positions, he still gets paid, and if the White Sox fire him he gets one year severance, something he would also be out of if he resigned. KW has been with JR since basically 1982. He knew exactly what he was going to say when given KW's offer. I think you know that as well, but don't want to admit it.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) Ozzie Guillen. He let him walk because he was making a mockery of the franchise. He let him walk because he really wanted to walk and had a 4 year contract lined up. KW never told JR he wanted out, he said "if you want to make a change....". If JR wanted to make a change, he wouldn't need KW's approval. A change would have already been made.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) Ask Jay Mariotti was an offer to resign looks like. If you make the offer to your boss, it is real. LOL, you're comparing JR/KW to Jay Mariotti/Sun Times. Are you drunk? And again, KW never offered to resign. He offered to become a scout and he would be paid like a GM to scout.

QUOTE (maki @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 12:21 PM) Comparing these numbers to the draft makes you realize how ridiculous the sox are in their draft spending. you have many GUARANTEED chances to pick people with the upside of many of these guys, and you won't budge over slot. yet then we're prime players in the overbidding sweepstakes? these guys must love seeing kenny join the party just as much as seeing cashman. the dramatic difference in pricing across the two processes says there's inefficiency, at least in some players, and this much is known to the whole baseball world, except kenny of course. I don't necessarily believe the Sox are silly with their lack of spending. I'd love for them to draft guys who slip and pay overslot, but whatever they pay guys like Jordan Danks isn't going to payoff.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) Based on what evidence are you judging that was a phony offer? JR doesn't let anyone just walk away from their jobs unless they really want to. He hated Larry Himes but didn't get rid of him until his contract was up, and KWs offer was if JR wanted him to walk. If he did, he would have already told him, not have KW make an offer. Isn't it peculiar that KW made this public? Especially considering how he's been pretty much avoiding the media as much as possible?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:38 AM) He still offered to leave his position. The rest is you speculating on his contract, which you have no idea about. When you offer someone based on the reasonable assumption they will not accept the offer, its not really an offer. Now, if KW resigned and JR talked him into staying on, that would be different. In other words, KW's offer was............phony.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:31 AM) Kenny answered to Jerry. He offered to resign. The rest of it is all your spin on why you hate Kenny. He didn't offer to resign. He offered to become a seven figure a year scout.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:30 AM) So, KW's wife should come out and start ripping Ozzie's performance? Actually, I might be kinda into watching that... KW's ex might take Ozzie's side. I wouldn't mind KW's sons taking Oney to the woodshed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) Huh? They faced the music when things didn't go so well.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 09:02 AM) You know, if you're just negative about everything, it's much easier, since you only have to admit you're wrong when things are going well. Must be nice. Additionally, I'd love to hear the s*** you'd say if you always had to comment to the press about things outside of your control. You'd be made to sound the fool or phony if I bothered to put together your greatest hits from soxtalk over the years as well. Put them together. I've always been consistent. Why wouldn't he talk to White Sox fans at Soxfest? If he's available when things are so rosy, why isn't he available when things aren't so rosy? I'm not negative about everything, in fact, I'm far more postive about many Sox things than many people here. I don't like KW, that's true, but I don't knock his every move, in fact I have given him praise sometimes. I don't like reading Cowley slamming him every chance he gets with the same thing, but KW is a phony, and he's had a long run.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 08:42 AM) Aka, it doesn't fit the agenda. Just read the quote at the bottom of your posts and tell me who KW is answering to? He dodges the press, Paul Sullivan even commented on that, and he covers the Cubs. He dodges fans at Soxfest. He only did one seminar on Friday., and ran away from anyone who didn't want to pay $500. If the Sox win, he's there everyday taking compliments like its nobody's business, giving some false modesty. He should concentrate on Market, I've never been there, but I heard its pretty good, regardless of what Oney thinks. (I think Oney was mad he was given a bill) Let Hahn take over now. He'll always have his ring and will get his due for it. Its time to move on. Ozzie acted like a child and needed to go. KW didn't act much better.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 08:27 AM) If by "making excuses", you mean "offering to resign", then yes. He never offered to resign. He offered to take a lesser role, and I imagine the way his contract is set up, it doesn't mean taking a paycut. He knew JR would say no. He's a phony that way. He also said last year if his bump in payroll didn't result in more wins and higher attendance, his employment was on the line. All false, soundbite garbage that he knows isn't true. Just like you finally came around and realized Ozzie really wasn't the baseball God you assumed for years, you will realize someday that even Joe Cowley isn't totally wrong about KW. He's not objective or fair, but he's not totally wrong about this particular subject. There is a lot of phoniness with KW. A lot.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 05:59 PM) Unless Soler signs before Cespedes, he will get more than $20 million. I'm thinking you are correct. If Cespedes gets anything near $50 million, I'm thinking Soler gets around $30 million. Considering the Sox owe Rios $38.5 million, those prices are staggering IMO. Even if the Sox miss on both, I hope their figures are much smaller. Giving these guys all that money just gives guys like Boras more ammo.

The Bullpen Gospels by Dirk Hayhurst. Its really good.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) I can't believe people are dissecting this argument about 50's vs 00's. The main point seemed obvious - the idea that KW needs to make up for a bad DECADE is ridiculous on its face. His decade of baseball resulted in a championship and either 1 or 2 more division wins, depending on how you slice it up, no to mention only one season worse than 4 games under .500. He's had either the best decade for the Sox in 50-60 years, or 90 years. Take whichever you'd like. Point is, KW has had 2-3 bad seasons and some bad trades, not a bad decade. Tbe White Sox haven't historically been tbe gold standard in regards to winning. Thank God for the Cubs or they would be in the photo for the poster child of the opposite. KW won a WS so having a bad decade is wrong. It is time though to put to rest that stringing together 82 to 88 win seasons and not making tbe playoffs the way the divisions are now set up is a success. KW is making excuses now.Read the quote at the bottom of ss2k5s posts then read his quotes at the end of last season patting himself on the back for building teams that spend time during the season in first place. Its time KW leave.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) It's simultaneously easy and hard to forget 2005. I still remember watching that last out and thinking, "No f***ing way." But I also remember, unfortunately, 2006 and 2011. The thing the Sox did right during the 2005 season was beat up on the AL Central. They were 30 over .500 vs the divison 6 over vs. the NL and were .500 against the AL East and AL West. They have to get back to beating up their Central Division foes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) The 2000's didn't exactly end well either, and it included a World Series win while leading all of baseball in wins. Even if you want to argue the 60's that is five decades ago. That still leaves plenty of room to give credit to the teams success, and not to label it as some sort of a wasted decade. I never said it was wasted. The last half was a waste of a huge opportunity, and its a lot different today. The White Sox have had some advantages they didn't have in the 60s, 70s, 80s.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Both the 50's and 60's came in under the 00's in terms of winning percentages. I think the 50s were higher than the 2000s