Dick Allen

If the Sox were to have traded Danks, is there any doubt Keith Law would have said the return was pitiful?

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) keithlaw keithlaw If you're rebuilding, you trade Danks. If you re-sign Danks, you're not rebuilding. If you re-sign Danks while rebuilding, you're lost. 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply Keith Law is a jagoff. Maybe the problem was they offerred Danks around and didn't like the return they would get, so they decided to re-sign him. Maybe the plan was to trade him and make a run at him when he became a free agent. We probably will never know, but Mr. Law fails to see Danks is probably more attractive to teams with top prospects now as opposed to a guy who may be around only one year.

CSN has confirmed this as well.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 06:38 PM) Don't you guys think it's a little bit suspicious that Danks is settling for only like $13 million per when he could get $15 million per next off-season? He could, then again he might not. There are some teams that are spending now that might not be spending next year. Anyway you slice it, if he signs this contract, unless Jon Corzine is managing his money, he should be fine in the cash department for the rest of his life.

If the tweet is accurate, I don't see how any White Sox fan could be upset with it. I thought Danks was mad the Sox didn't protect his brother? If Danks has a good year and the Sox don't, he's still easily tradeable and probably worth more on the trade market locked into a contract. Perhaps KW wasn't going to get what he thought was fair for him in the trade market, so the next best thing is to lock him up. Its surprising JR would go 5 years, it seems to me, if the entire report is true, they may have signed him for 5 years, but don't expect him to be around 5 years. We will see. He should be coming into his prime now. This team would still need some help. Buehrle is gone, you can't count on Sale to eat his innings. Peavy should be better, but its still an unknown. Humber you can't bank anything on either. The rotation could be decent, it could be great, it could be awful. One thing for sure, the bullpen is going to become more taxed than it has been in years. As for Molina, I don't think it would be right to count on anyone with 21 IP above A ball right now. But the AL Central is all forgiving. The Tigers are a Verlander bad couple months away from being no better than the 2011 White Sox.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 20, 2011 -> 09:02 AM) Was it a matter of outbidding someone else? Or a waiver order? I thought the Bulls really had no chance because the Clips were way in front of them in the waiver order And im pretty sure Rip cleared waivers, so there was no bid, he just signed a FA contract They didn't use ther amnesty tag on Rip, they just bought him out and waived him.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 18, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) ~36 mill for 5 years? accurate? Did you not pay attention to the amount Mark Buehrle made? And here's one thing we can all agree on: Danks > Buehrle at this point. So......... I would say over the next 5 years, Danks will average out to about $6 million a year more than Latos which is $30 million more expensive. Again, its not as if Latos will be making minimum for 5 years. He's going to get paid pretty well fairly soon.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2011 -> 10:20 AM) Try at least doubling that number. Latos is going to be getting paid as well. I'd say my figure is fairly accurate.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 18, 2011 -> 07:52 AM) This is pretty despicable if you ask me... How are they allowed to get away with it? Occupy the Marlins How can they hope to get away with this? And if they do, what the hell is wrong with baseball/sports/this country? What's happening here is no different than every other state that was held hostage for a stadium, including IL for the White Sox. In fact, in the White Sox case, the Governor told the White Sox they would have to hold the state hostage to get anything done. So while JR wins awards for being charitable, which is commendable, just remember, he's also been the receipient of "charity" many more times over.

QUOTE (JDsDirtySox @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) I love the White Sox like everyone here... but John Danks isn't Mat Latos. Sure they are close, but Latos is a rising star, and the Reds control him for 5 more years. I think they made a great deal. Danks will cost at least $30 million more the next five years, but he still should bring back a nice return. IMO he winds up with the Yankees.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) I would be, simply because if I am a Padre fan, I believe the only way we can be successful is to get lucky with a core of young, cost-controlled studs all coming together in a relatively short time. They weren't going to win anything before Latos becomes expensive and they are trying to trade him for one of those prospects instead of all of those prospects. SD hitters have probably the biggest drop off in home vs road splits. I think established hitters can handle it. Its going to be tough for the young guys trying to break in hitting in that park. It could ruin them. Besides Adrian Gonzalez, has anyone had much luck hitting in that place?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) Well, the situations are different. Part of the downside of rebuilding is having to take that risk on the unknown versus the known. And then you have what SD and Oakland are doing, which is really frightening, to be honest, in that they are trading away the young cost-controlled studs, which are the very essence of why you acquire prospects in the first place, for more prospects, in the hope that you can either hit on more than one of those prospects (what SD is doing), or you can time a wave of talent to hit the MLB level all at one time (what the A's are doing). What bugs me about the SD trade is that the Reds gave them Volquez as well, who you know they are going to move at the deadline after he builds value in Petco, and quite possibly get ANOTHER prospect that could turn into what they just traded away in Latos. I guess what I am getting at is prospects are not unlike back up QBs. They seem to be a lot more popular until people actually see them playing when it matters. I'm not exactly thrilled if I'm a Padre fan right now.

If the Sox received the same package SD just received in exchange for Danks, how long until they are in contention? Seems to me the only sure thing is Latos. The others MAY be good, they MAY really suck, the MAY be average. Obviously you have to look at how long the players are controlled and you would roll the dice with this package considering Danks only has one year left, but I really don't think SD fleeced the Reds. There is a decent chance its the other way around.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) They were interested in Martinez, but never even made an offer. Detroit made their offer and he signed pretty much immediately. Williams and company pretty much said this right after he signed, almost verbatum. Wasn't Martinez cheaper than Dunn?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 07:53 AM) If there was any worry out there... VizquelOmar13 Omar Vizquel No I won't RT @Kmart0307: @VizquelOmar13 Omar! Are you coming back to the #WhiteSox next season?! I think you should! VizquelOmar13 Omar Vizquel Believe it RT @baseballpat54: @VizquelOmar13 do you plan on playing baseball next season? Omar was slamming the White Sox for treating him like an old man last season and not playing him. He may go to Miami to be with Ozzie. Didn't Ozzie say he made the f***ing line ups?

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 04:00 AM) From an outsider's perspective I think there's pluses and minuses for both of them. In the regular season, I think Rip will be a decent enough fit on both sides of the ball. Come playoff time though, opposing teams are obviously going to focus on Rose and try to make the other guys on the court beat you. That's where I think Crawford would come in real handy in a series against a Miami or a Boston, he can create his own shot and easily put up 20+ points, and would help lighten the load on Rose. Rip obviously can't create his own shot, and that's the major difference b/w the 2. So you're saying other teams are going to focus on Rose, that's going to leave Rip alone. He'll be able to find an open spot. As long as his body holds up, he'll help the Bulls as much as Crawford if not more in the playoffs because he will play defense. Crawford can score, but he can give it right back on the other end. My only concern is physical. Crawford stands a better chance of holding up IMO. Plus that mask Rip wears bugs me.

The fans did enough for JR to approve a $127 million payroll. I don't see where there can be blame placed there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2011 -> 06:58 PM) Which is ironic, because Thornton's career was on the ropes when he was dumped for Borchard after underachieving for so long in SEA. Cooper is almost singlehandedly responsible for Matt being set for life financially. Mentally, the guy just wasn't the right one to be the closer...and perhaps he still holds some grudges against some of the coaches?? Which is, once again, why Danks/Thornton being traded would suprise absolutely nobody in baseball. That's a great point. Thornton is probably selling cars if Cooper didn't fix him. If he did pop off, and we really have no idea, everyone thought the veteran who wanted to go if the Sox went young was AJ and he said no, or Peavy, and he and Cowley don't seem to have the same story, so that's doubtful, its weak sauce. I really think its probably a made up quote, but what a classy thing to do on twitter, rip Gonzo, the beat writer who is better than Cowley ever could be.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) In this case I believe Mrs Pujols. The cards low-balled a guy who would have stayed for a discount. Pretty big mistake. At least they made an offer.

Cliff's notes version of a Cowley "column" concerning the White Sox: KW and Cooper are assholes, Ozzie is God. They are all pretty much the same thing. He "interviews" Danks, then has quotes from an unnamed pitcher. Who is that pitcher? Its not Danks. Its not Floyd, Cowley tells everyone how stupid he is all the time, couldn't use him as a legitimate source. I'm guessing its not Buehrle, he doesn't seem to have a problem with Cooper and wanted to come back, and its not Peavy, he said he has no problem with Cooper. Who can it be? Santos? Doubtful. The only one it really could be IMO is Thornton, so someone should ask Thornton if those were his quotes. I believe the pitcher could be Cowley. He didn't say it was a White Sox pitcher. He probably pitches whiffle balls to his kid so he can call himself a pitcher.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) So I trust Peavy is getting the offseason he was looking forward to in September, and he's preparing for his 34 starts and 220 innings. Where's that quote? That's in a file to be printed during Spring Training, the day after the Dunn in the best shape of his life piece.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:31 PM) Can you believe how wrong Cowley got that? Here is the Peavy quote on top from the Trib and Cowley's column below. In your continuing quest to be Soxtalk's biggest smartass you missed the premise of Cowley's article. You probably also missed the print edition which had a big color picture of Cooper on the backpage hinting at all the trouble he's created. Then to make your smart ass retort look accurate you left off this Peavy quote from my post: "But let's be real: The Sox don't win a World Series without Mark Buehrle, and look at what Coop has done over the years. It takes time to know someone. I have no problems with (Cooper)." If Peavy has no problems with Cooper, Cowley's article is like his Thornton to ATL crap. Totally bogus, although we did get to find out Danks spent time at a Home Depot. Peavy apparently has a problem with Ozzie or Ozzie has a problem with Peavy or both, but Cowley never mentioned that. Go figure.

I think they need to ditch the dancing on the dugouts, and bring in competive eating. See who can suck back a nacho helmet first in between innings. You win an autographed picture and a trip to see the doctors they promote during the game.

With De Aza and Viciedo playing almost everyday, there's really no place for Kubel although he would look good in the middle of the line up. I think Cuddyer would obviously help the Sox but they aren't going to add what he's going to be paid.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) I wouldn't say LOTS. Go back to the thread signing posts that week. You won't find many. Why did Dunn sign the contract in the first place, if he and his agent had these concerns about transitioning to the AL/DH role? 56 million reasons why he signed the contract. There was absolutely no reason to think Dunn would be as bad as he was, but there were plenty of red flags to think he could struggle. One of those certainly was his earlier reluctance to be a DH.