Dick Allen

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) Sad, but it's another sign of the incompetence of our GM. Where are all the people on this board who said there will be a market for guys like Thornton, Quentin, Danks, and Floyd this offseason? If KW wants to unload those guys, he will have no problem doing so. He's asking for the moon right now.

I'm now officially an ex-season ticketholder. I don't like rebuilding, and the rebuilder is a clown. As for Buerhle being a hypocrite, I don't think that's right. Being a free agent and talking to other teams, he was exposed to things he wasn't exposed to before. Opinions can change, and $58 million is $58 million to do something you love doing. IMO KW is rebuilding to give himself more time. They won't fire him if the team sucks for a while. Its imperative he hits a home run in at least a couple of these deals, but I have zero confidence. He's a bulls***er. Even his talk about "interviewing" Robin while he was playing for a manager job was sickening. If he truly did that, how come JR was one of the last to know? I hope he doesn't sit in his chair too much longer. Having him re-build is very dangerous.

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) This is bad. Who is going to start Opening Day for us? Ace Ventura is on the case after he locates a closer. Right now he is scouting DR. More importantly, who will be the new designated catcher of the ceremonial first pitch?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 08:45 PM) I understand going for the money. I really do. But with most guys, they don't repeat over and over again how much being close to home and wanting to retire means to them. I doubt A-Rod was talking about wanting to play closer to New York or the Dominican Republic, perhaps retiring at the end of whichever contract he was on at the time, etc. Unless he's playing in St. Louis, whats the difference between playing in Chicago and playing in some of the other places........an hour more on a plane? Its for 6 months. You might as well take the money. He'll probably get access to a private jet to fly him and his family around anyway if it is far away from his home. Playing MLB is a gift, you should play and get paid until you can't IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:33 PM) I see no harm in it. Invite him to spring training on a minor league contract. If he sucks, cut him. Exactly. There's probably nothing left, but it won't cost anything to kick the tires.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:28 PM) That's the only thing that pisses me off about Mark. Supposedly, he was seriously pondering retirement but now he's pushing for a 4-year deal? Same with Oswalt. He was supposed to be done.....maybe 1 more year. Now, they say he's looking for a 3-year deal. I guess money almost always wins. I never have a problem with guys going for the most money. People actually criicized ARod for taking the extra $100 million. Buehrle is probably set for life, but pitching 6 months a year for 4 more years sets up another generation or 3.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) cst_Cowley cst_Cowley Just spoke to an agent who said KW has told Buehrle's camp the Sox will not match the offers out there. 58 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply If true, that's a shame. A total rebuild probably guarantees KW a couple more years of employment. White Sox vendors are probably doing an Irish jig.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) I still can't believe how Kenny has mis-general managed this team. The Marlins get Reyes and Bell, they already have Hanley Ramirez, and they offer a ten yr deal to Pujols --and all of this would bring their payroll up to $100mm. Meanwhile Kenny has assembled a lousy team that had a payroll of $127mm in 2011, with no significant salary relief possible for at least two yrs, and he keeps his job. And for the Marlins to stay competitive with those guys, they eventually will have to pay Stanton and Morrison and everyone else. If its $100 million this year, to keep the same team pretty much intact is going to cost a lot more in 1 and 2 and 3 years.

In the shock of the year, Keith Law doesn't think much of the White Sox acquisition.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 10:26 PM) I knew very early in the season that this team was crap with no passion, led by an (intentionally?) inept manager. People on this board will attest to that. I swore I wouldn't pay for another ticket as long as Ozzie was managing. I did go to few games with free tickets, though. And I've been going to a dozen or more games a year since at least the late '90s. So I was going even when they sucked. I'll show up if they are cellar dwellers. So if they are about .500 but truly suck, you won't go to games. If they just suck and lose 90 games a year, that would motivate you to buy tickets to 15-20 games? You sound like a closet Cubs fan.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) The Royals and Pirates are under fairly new regime. The Orioles are just terrible from top-to-bottom. The Sox tried it a certain way. Now they've become the Cubs. So you're saying get awful as soon as you can, and maybe 2 or 3 or 4 regimes later, get good again. One problem with this theory, if the Sox are awful for any length of time, they aren't going to be able to afford keeping their good players and the cycle of dealing good players for prospects becomes endless.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:56 PM) So let's go the same failed route of the last six years because a few fans might not show up (you know, the park was f***ing booming last August/September) if they can't see Mark's 86 MPH FB every fifth day. So you chose the failed route of the KC Royals, Pittsburgh Pirates and Baltimore Orioles. All three at one time were considered model franchises. I just don't see what's gained by not signing Buehrle unless you are in JR's will. More payroll flexibility? If what appears to be their plan comes to fruition, payroll isn't going to be an issue. Draft picks? I am under the impression the Sox won't get one for him. Might as well keep him around. It also appears some posters may not want the Sox to get very good prospects for their other players for fear they might help the Sox win some games. That would be awful. Lose all you can. That's the way to build a winner. Actually, in the NBA it probably is.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:38 PM) You call that rock-bottom? I'd hate to see what adjectives you use to describe what's been going on in KC & Pittsburgh the last 25 years, or the last 10 in Baltimore. Funny, each of those franchises have been lauded the past few years for all of their prospects. I don't know what people are smoking when they think the Sox can dump all their good players, pick up other teams' prospects draft some studs and be fine in 3 years. There is nothing to suggest the White Sox even know how to develop players and have been average at best identifying young talent the last decade.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) He seems older than he is and isn't the quickest or nimblest guy out there. I'd be surprised if they got much for him. Some said that 2 or 3 years ago. He's a better hitter now than he was in his 20s. He's slow as can be, but he's always been slow, and he's only owed money for 2 years. With steroids and greenies in far less use, and now testing for HGH albeit small and no tests during the season, a clean guy with Konerko's numbers don't grow on trees anymore.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:17 PM) How much trade value does Konerko really have? .300 average 30 homers .900 ops, stand up guy, 2 years $24 million left on the contract, I would imagine pretty much.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 06:19 PM) Outside of a 30 game stretch in 2010, one could argue the last three years have been rock-bottom. And the chances of Mark being traded IF he resigns with the Sox are zero. And whats the difference if he stays a White Sox or goes somewhere else? Its not like they are getting the top pick next June letting him go. One thing I've noticed about guys who can't get traded because of no trade protection and are on teams that aren't good.............they seemed to get traded. Either Buerhle helps the Sox win some games the next few years or the team really sucks and they find another place for him to go. Its not like they are gaining anything but increasing JR's bank account by letting him go.

I don't know if Santo should be a HOFer or not, although my dad who doesn't care for anything Cubs and saw him play his entire career says he is, the bottom line is if these are the same guys who didn't vote for him earlier (again I don't know maybe its an entire crew) now vote for him, shame on them. I posted it the last time he was eligible, it was obvious he would eventually get in, they should have let him in while he was alive to enjoy it, whether you like him personally or not.

Why do so many want the Sox to hit rock bottom? Why can't they sign Buehrle and rebuild. JR isn't going broke, the payroll apparently won't be an issue for a few years. Maybe the Cardinals in 6 months to a year need a starter. The Sox could deal him and gain what so many here like better than actual major league players...................prospects. Chances of most of the prospects the Sox will be trading for and the players the Sox draft the next few years panning out like the last real rebuild, McDowell, Thomas, Ventura, Fernandez are very slim. They have to try to do both, win and build.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) More Marlins buzz.... http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/sox-drawer/...&feedID=665 They have to give him a no-trade. Garfien doesn't understand that if Buehrle came back to the Sox, he wouldn't need a no trade clause. Its automatic as a 5 and 10 guy.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) I was trying to tippy-toe around talking about his actual play on the field (more to the point: at the plate) which I believe sucks. I don't really care about a guys character if he can’t play ball, but Danks was just a surprisingly cool guy. I wish him the best wherever he lands. Its nice that he's a good guy. It definitely beats the alternative. Too bad it appears he will have to make his living doing something other than playing baseball.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) That's not official, yet. I'm just writing what Lou Canelis is reporting.

Forte MCL sprain out 2-4 weeks.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) Colquitt pointing to da sky I wonder what he'll do when the play actually counts.

It amazes me how many guys make millions of dollars to catch passes who can't catch.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) Go away Roy Williams. Just go away. I'm shocked he didn't do his little first down thing the other way.