Dick Allen

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Better PR would have been a coach who won a WS like TLA or Francona. Robin has years of playing and leadership experience in an MLB clubhouse. Its not that difficult to move from that to managing a clubhouse. They arent calling plays or inventing some new sort of baseball, he is leading a team that already has a player/coach in Konerko and several young kids that respect him from their offseasons and ST working with him. I agree. Its not like they have to explain the game to Robin. People are thinking this is way more complicated than it really is. Ozzie Guillen, despite what the Sox loved to say, has the IQ of a grape and he won a WS his second year managing after being a 3rd base coach which is watching games from a different spot. Robin has watched plenty of baseball. He knows what's going on.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 02:46 AM) I just read all the Trib articles and Lamont's quotes and this is a scary hire. Yes I believe Cowley. If he's wrong, he's putting his job on the line. What Cooper did is really sleazy. Nobody likes a backstabber. It's WRONG. If this was the 1950s, Ozzie would beat his ass. But nowadays he'll spend time in prison for smashing Coop a good one in the nose. (I'm assuming the article is true; if not, my bad). You read the Lamont quotes, but dismissed all the quotes about the lack of experience not being a big issue? Its baseball. If it were that complicated this message board should be shut down, because none of us would have the credentials to voice an opinion. Remember, your boy Ozzie didn't have the experience Lamont says you need. He waved at people in the stands and waved them in from 3rd base, and now all he does is win championships. Cowley is wrong. Look at his past articles. Didnt he say the Sox would hire Daryl Boston as a puppet? Then didn't he brag about the Sun Times being the first to break the news that Dave Martinez is their choice even though he was never interviewed? He doesn't know. They won't fire him for being wrong. If they did, Marriotti would have lasted a week and Cowley would have been gone a long time ago.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) It's funny cause Cowley is a bad journalist. This. Guys, its MLB manager. The decisions aren't hard with modern day stats ready 24/7, unless you're Ozzie. If he can help people, which he has enough baseball knowledge and seemingly-not-asshole persona that he probably can. Is it the best hire? No. He would have been my fourth choice, but come on. Its also strange Cowley will be wasting his writing talents tomorrow on a team he said became irrelevant once Ozzie left.

Archive Florida Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen's contract for 2012 will be $250,000 less than the amount he would have made managing the Chicago White Sox next season. Guillen will make $10 million over the life of his four-year deal (for an annual base of $2.5 million) to lead the newly named Miami Marlins, major league sources told ESPNChicago.com. The same sources confirmed that Guillen made $2.5 million with the White Sox in 2011 and was scheduled to make $2.75 million in 2012.

Its obviously a fluff piece and what else are they going to say, but I don't think respect will be a problem from the players: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...7,0,73915.story

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:20 PM) Yes, Robin will get manager money. So would Martinez, except Martinez actually has negotiating leverage. I can't imagine what Robin would have said to try to negotiate. Probably that he likes to be home in CA and really doesn't need to work, but if you want to make it worthwhile..........................

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) No one else seeing this move as Kenny putting himself on the line even more now? MattSpiegel for example sees it like that, so does my huge Sox friend that doesn't frequent the board.. he also thinks we're not in rebuild mode and that he expects a solid offseason and competing next year, TTFWIW. Do you really think this was KW's idea? If it was, it most likely was to keep him in the good graces of the Chairman, not that it wasn't genius, even if by accident.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) Did you listen to the conference call/press conference this afternoon? no

QUOTE (Wedge @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Joe Cowley claiming this decision was made months ago. Says he'll have his timeline in tomorrow's column. Ventura said they brought this up to him last week. I wonder if Cowley will call him a liar. Funny Joe wrote months ago Daryl Boston would be the replacement, then a couple days ago said it would be Dave Martinez, now he says its been Ventura for months and he'll have a timeline. He's a joke.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) Including the Sox organization. Can anyone really say how he will work with players? He's never been in any type of role to teach, mentor, coach or anything. Seems like a huge gamble to let him start now. What if he has huge issues communicating to players or getting them to follow his lead. He was a spring training instructor for a couple of years. I've never met him, but supposedly he's impossible not to like. I never liked him as much as most as a player, but I'm kind of giddy about this.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) He must have done something as the rover this year to impress the Sox. He's been a spring training instructor in the past. Face it, the Sox love him. It was shocking he got the job. I never even considered him a candidate and from the report, neither did he. But he is accepting the challenge. If the players feel the same way about him his teammates over the years did, they are going to really want to play for him, but as he said, good players come ready to play everyday.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:56 PM) What exactly has he done to earn the players respect? Worked his way up? Gained experience? Done anything to establish himself as wanting this job? He's a pretty good guy who had a real nice career. Mike Quade worked his way up and that team walked all over him. I doubt that happens to Ventura. Do you really think Alex Rios would respect Dave Martinez more because he was a bench coach?

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) I can't wait until Robin resigns in a year and half after realizing the stresses of managing are a lot more than he anticipated. If you can't wait for that, why are you wasting your time on a White Sox fan message board?

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) Why is Cooper the problem? I think his signing an extension with the Sox was seen as not being loyal to the almighty Guillen in Joe's world, and I guess Cooper really has never thought too much of Cowley, so Joe likes to take shots whether there is any validity to them or not, every chance he gets.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Current knowledge of the opponents would come to mind. We have to hope he has good coaches around him to get the team prepared. The next few choices to round out his staff will be a good test. He has a very experienced pitching coach, if he adds some other good minds (Tex Winter types) he could do fine. Cowley saying that Cooper is a problem. He says Cooper being around is why any big name would say no to the Sox. What happened to Daryl Boston, or the Sun Times breaking the story of Dave Martinez, who didn't even interview? Of course, Oney re tweeted it. I read either Laker or Manto as the hitting coach and they are seeking permission from another team to bring in a bench coach. Supposedly the entire staff should be in place Tuesday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) Kenny submitted a list of who he wanted to Arizona. That is a step past Arizona just making an offer. You don't do that unless you are actually willing to move the guy. It would be interesting to see the list, to see if there was actually a chance AZ would say yes. Just about any other team, Reading the article, any other team other than AZ, even if they agree, Paulie probably uses his no trade rights.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Looks like Ventura' got a lot of the players respect, that's a good start If he has their respect and the players are held accountable, and he can manage the pitching staff, everyone complaining about this selection will be glad they were wrong.

Can someone please tell me what Robin Ventura could have learned waving guys in from the 3rd base coach's box or holding elbow pads in the first base coach's box or sitting next to a manager telling him what he would do, that he in no way could have picked up all those years he played? What makes Ventura a worse candidate than Martinez or Alomar? Steve Phillips was on the radio and he was talking Dave Martinez. He said he would never hire him as a manager because he thinks he lacks presence. That's his opinion and could be way off, but Martinez has interviewed for a couple of jobs and apparently didn't do so well. No one is a guarantee, but I like Ventura's chances.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:58 PM) And before anyone says anything, we DO NOT want The Big Hurt as our hitting coach. Trust me. He's not going to be. It will probably be Manto or Laker. If anyone thinks KW will ever have Frank Thomas on his coaching staff, just remember this quote, "the man is an idiot"

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) Yes. Being a manager isn't about X's and O's. Do you not think Robin Ventura has a good grasp of the game of baseball? What's funny is he's crying Ventura isn't qualified, but since he's never worked in a front office and has zero experience, I don't know how he's qualified to say that.

I find it laughable a guy who has been in baseball as long as Robin Ventura has needs to be a bench coach or a first base coach to gain experience. This is baseball, not some guy representing you while on trial for a murder you didn't commit. And besides, anyone who doesn't think he's experienced enough to be a manager, why are you giving anyone your opinions? Using your standards, your opinions are mean nothing to you, why should they matter to anyone else? I find this move genius. I don't see why Robin can't be as good as Dave Martinez, or my pick, Sandy Alomar, or Ozzie Guillen for that matter. It will also probably save a lot of season ticket accounts. We all manage games in our heads while watching. Robin has played for Torborg, Lamont, Valentine, Torre, even Bevington. He knows the difference between good and bad. He'll be well respected, he'll never embarrass the Sox. The only issuea that may take a little time is managing the bullpen, but Cooper should help with that, and I have a hard time seeing him running on to the field to argue with umpires. I really like this, and I wasn't that big of a fan of Robin Ventura the player. I think he has the perfect personality to manage and he's seems like a bright guy.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) Not meaning to flame at all, but do the Rays losing to the same team two years in a row and getting faceplanted AT HOME by Texas change anybody's opinion of Maddon and/or Martinez? Texas is good, but what's up with getting smoked at home like that two years in a row? I don't think that woulda played well if it had been the Sox in the playoffs losing to the same team two years in a row and getting eliminated at the Cell. I realize Maddon/Martinez did a nice job rallying past Boston, but quick exits in the playoffs are not ideal. Getting faceplanted at home and on the road did nothing to change your opinion of Ozzie.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 10:01 PM) And for good measure... SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman rays owner sternberg allows employees to talk to other teams about jobs. but if its redsox/maddon, open policy may close. I thought we were taking about Martinez, not Maddon? Martinez is a coach, Maddon is a manager.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) Apparently your google doesn't work? http://i.tsn.ca/mlb/teams/story/?id=337376...ame=mlb-dodgers OK, you win, go buy yourself a Slurpee. The Rays won't let Martinez interview with Boston.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:50 PM) If you don't want to have the discussion, just walk away, don't make something up. It has been speculated by national writers that his could happen. If you don't believe me, go check twitter. I haven't made anything up. When has a team denied permission? Just give me one time. If Martinez wants to interview with Boston and they want to talk to him, no one is going to stand in his way.