Dick Allen

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 08:08 PM) Thought if you were DFA'd and didn't accept assignment and were released, contract was void and you were FA? Didn't Jeff Weaver do that and go to the Cards in 06 among other guys in the past? No, you get paid. Your next team pays you the pro-rated minimum, and that amount is subtracted from what your old team owes. When guys get released in the NBA it worked differently. Their old team paid them what they owed them and they also collected money from a new team if they were picked up. That's why some guys agree to buyouts.

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) Someone tell Joe Buck that Inge would of been giving up a lot of money if he didn't accept that minor league assignment and was released. Why would he give up money if he's released? The contract is guaranteed.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 10:33 PM) I wasn't the one who made a post concerned about one of his boring answers today. I was responding to it. I prefer funny showmen like Ozzie, but Ventura deserves our support even if he is very very very bland. Not that it really matters, but he's actually a good interview and very funny. The only bland thing about him is his delivery. If you listen to what he says, he's wise and funny. With Ozzie, he was all about the delivery. I was shocked and happy when they announced this move. I'm even happier about it after hearing Robin speak about the job. He'll make mistakes, every manager does, but I really think the players are going to love him and will play hard and be accountable. Once he gets a hang on using his bullpen, he may turn out to be one of the better managers in baseball.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) Sharing an agent years ago adds alot in game tactics. No but if you share agents you sometimes become more familiar with each other. From everything I have read, Parent seems like a pretty solid choice.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) Interesting, he is the current third base coach for Boston Red Sox. Would they bring him in to be the bench coach? With Francona gone, they may let his coaches go elsewhere, so maybe coaching 3rd base.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) Take this FWIW, @cst_Cowley cst_Cowley Mark Parent is the front-runner for the bench coach job, according to Sox sources. One said it's all but a done deal, other said not yet. So Cowley has it covered either way. He's truly a buffoon.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 9, 2011 -> 06:45 AM) And, if you are going to take another run with the same 25 man roster, wouldn't you go with a new manager that is 180 degrees from the last? We wanted a guy that will manage more from the book and less from his gut, I am going to see how he manages before passing judgement. Steve Phillips addressed that when he was giving the Dave Martinez lacks presence interview, he said inevitiably, most teams hire the exact opposite when replacing a manager. Ozzie took over for Jerry Manuel. When Robin's tenure ends, look for a loudmouth to take over.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2011 -> 07:06 AM) That is a lot harder when it is your manager who is distracting you... A player told Kurtjian the team talked more about Ozzie/KW than the game, so ending that fiasco probably makes the team better already.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) You'd think ONE of them might be a guy who Ventura's familiar with from the last 7-8 years living in SoCal. Someone from the Angels, Dodgers, Padres...just a guess. F From all the interviews, it doesn't seem like Robin is really involved in choosing coaches.

I heard Parent and/or Sandberg, but I think they will add someone with MLB managerial experience. I would think it could be Leyva or Fregosi.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Better PR would have been a coach who won a WS like TLA or Francona. Robin has years of playing and leadership experience in an MLB clubhouse. Its not that difficult to move from that to managing a clubhouse. They arent calling plays or inventing some new sort of baseball, he is leading a team that already has a player/coach in Konerko and several young kids that respect him from their offseasons and ST working with him. I agree. Its not like they have to explain the game to Robin. People are thinking this is way more complicated than it really is. Ozzie Guillen, despite what the Sox loved to say, has the IQ of a grape and he won a WS his second year managing after being a 3rd base coach which is watching games from a different spot. Robin has watched plenty of baseball. He knows what's going on.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 02:46 AM) I just read all the Trib articles and Lamont's quotes and this is a scary hire. Yes I believe Cowley. If he's wrong, he's putting his job on the line. What Cooper did is really sleazy. Nobody likes a backstabber. It's WRONG. If this was the 1950s, Ozzie would beat his ass. But nowadays he'll spend time in prison for smashing Coop a good one in the nose. (I'm assuming the article is true; if not, my bad). You read the Lamont quotes, but dismissed all the quotes about the lack of experience not being a big issue? Its baseball. If it were that complicated this message board should be shut down, because none of us would have the credentials to voice an opinion. Remember, your boy Ozzie didn't have the experience Lamont says you need. He waved at people in the stands and waved them in from 3rd base, and now all he does is win championships. Cowley is wrong. Look at his past articles. Didnt he say the Sox would hire Daryl Boston as a puppet? Then didn't he brag about the Sun Times being the first to break the news that Dave Martinez is their choice even though he was never interviewed? He doesn't know. They won't fire him for being wrong. If they did, Marriotti would have lasted a week and Cowley would have been gone a long time ago.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) It's funny cause Cowley is a bad journalist. This. Guys, its MLB manager. The decisions aren't hard with modern day stats ready 24/7, unless you're Ozzie. If he can help people, which he has enough baseball knowledge and seemingly-not-asshole persona that he probably can. Is it the best hire? No. He would have been my fourth choice, but come on. Its also strange Cowley will be wasting his writing talents tomorrow on a team he said became irrelevant once Ozzie left.

Archive Florida Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen's contract for 2012 will be $250,000 less than the amount he would have made managing the Chicago White Sox next season. Guillen will make $10 million over the life of his four-year deal (for an annual base of $2.5 million) to lead the newly named Miami Marlins, major league sources told ESPNChicago.com. The same sources confirmed that Guillen made $2.5 million with the White Sox in 2011 and was scheduled to make $2.75 million in 2012.

Its obviously a fluff piece and what else are they going to say, but I don't think respect will be a problem from the players: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...7,0,73915.story

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:20 PM) Yes, Robin will get manager money. So would Martinez, except Martinez actually has negotiating leverage. I can't imagine what Robin would have said to try to negotiate. Probably that he likes to be home in CA and really doesn't need to work, but if you want to make it worthwhile..........................

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) No one else seeing this move as Kenny putting himself on the line even more now? MattSpiegel for example sees it like that, so does my huge Sox friend that doesn't frequent the board.. he also thinks we're not in rebuild mode and that he expects a solid offseason and competing next year, TTFWIW. Do you really think this was KW's idea? If it was, it most likely was to keep him in the good graces of the Chairman, not that it wasn't genius, even if by accident.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) Did you listen to the conference call/press conference this afternoon? no

QUOTE (Wedge @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Joe Cowley claiming this decision was made months ago. Says he'll have his timeline in tomorrow's column. Ventura said they brought this up to him last week. I wonder if Cowley will call him a liar. Funny Joe wrote months ago Daryl Boston would be the replacement, then a couple days ago said it would be Dave Martinez, now he says its been Ventura for months and he'll have a timeline. He's a joke.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) Including the Sox organization. Can anyone really say how he will work with players? He's never been in any type of role to teach, mentor, coach or anything. Seems like a huge gamble to let him start now. What if he has huge issues communicating to players or getting them to follow his lead. He was a spring training instructor for a couple of years. I've never met him, but supposedly he's impossible not to like. I never liked him as much as most as a player, but I'm kind of giddy about this.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) He must have done something as the rover this year to impress the Sox. He's been a spring training instructor in the past. Face it, the Sox love him. It was shocking he got the job. I never even considered him a candidate and from the report, neither did he. But he is accepting the challenge. If the players feel the same way about him his teammates over the years did, they are going to really want to play for him, but as he said, good players come ready to play everyday.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:56 PM) What exactly has he done to earn the players respect? Worked his way up? Gained experience? Done anything to establish himself as wanting this job? He's a pretty good guy who had a real nice career. Mike Quade worked his way up and that team walked all over him. I doubt that happens to Ventura. Do you really think Alex Rios would respect Dave Martinez more because he was a bench coach?

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) I can't wait until Robin resigns in a year and half after realizing the stresses of managing are a lot more than he anticipated. If you can't wait for that, why are you wasting your time on a White Sox fan message board?

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) Why is Cooper the problem? I think his signing an extension with the Sox was seen as not being loyal to the almighty Guillen in Joe's world, and I guess Cooper really has never thought too much of Cowley, so Joe likes to take shots whether there is any validity to them or not, every chance he gets.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Current knowledge of the opponents would come to mind. We have to hope he has good coaches around him to get the team prepared. The next few choices to round out his staff will be a good test. He has a very experienced pitching coach, if he adds some other good minds (Tex Winter types) he could do fine. Cowley saying that Cooper is a problem. He says Cooper being around is why any big name would say no to the Sox. What happened to Daryl Boston, or the Sun Times breaking the story of Dave Martinez, who didn't even interview? Of course, Oney re tweeted it. I read either Laker or Manto as the hitting coach and they are seeking permission from another team to bring in a bench coach. Supposedly the entire staff should be in place Tuesday.