Dick Allen

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:32 PM) Griffey too. And Manny. That only cost Uncle Jerry $4 million.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:39 AM) Amen. Post more often. Some of us blame players; some blame managers/coaches. It's to each his/her own. Ozzie didn't get fired. He refused to work the last year of a contract he signed. In a nutshell, he quit.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:09 AM) The Sox can wait for the Rays to do whatever. If time is really that much of an issue, then hope Boston somehow wins tomorrow and Tampa loses. Dave Martinez is 20x the candidate Alomar is. So I take it you have spoken with both. I really don't understand how any of us could know who really is the better candidate. Basing everything on one guy being a first base coach and one guy being Joe Madden's bench coach is akin to selecting NFL players the draft based soley on what school they attended, without any regard to anything else. Last year Alomar and Martinez were both interviewed for the Toronto job. Neither got it, but Alomar was the runner up.

Congratulations to Adam Dunn who set a White Sox single season record for strikeouts. His 3 whiffs tonight bring his record breaking total to 177 and he had a lot of time off. It appears .160 will be the new Dunn line. .200 already the Mendoza line, .160 seems like a good number. Adam will need a hit in the season finale to finish above it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Winning will bring the kind of relevency that actually matters. The relevency Ozzie brought was that the White Sox were a reality tv show gone bad. Not once, in the many, many articles written about Ozzie and the Organization was it referred to as a class or model organization. The only thing in and apparently staying in Chicago that will now become irrelevant is Cowley.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) What will be more interesting would be if they ever did something, anything, to honor Williams. It would be pretty unprecedented. It's not like the guy is Branch Rickey or even Theo Epstein. Yet with how we erect statues and put pictures and names on the walls, anything is possible. As long as JR is the owner, it's 98% certain there will be something for Ozzie unless he does something reprehensible while managing the morals...the managerial equivalent of Alomar spitting on Hirschbeck. (And yes, in the end, that didn't prevent him from making the HOF). JR hung a Jerry Krause banner in the United Center.

QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:31 PM) Could this be true? Thoughts? Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgeL...esox-afterozzie Article: CHICAGO (AP)—White Sox general manager Ken Williams says he offered to step aside or take another job in the organization after some of his offseason moves failed to pan out and the team floundered. Williams made his comments in the dugout the day after manager Ozzie Guillen was released from his contract with one year remaining. Guillen is expected to become the Marlins’ new manager. Williams says he made the offer to owner Jerry Reinsdorf and would have understood if the White Sox wanted to put someone else in his seat. Chicago will miss the playoffs for a third straight season. Williams reiterated Tuesday he has a short list of candidates to replace Guillen and already has started to work on finding a successor KW said as much in a CSN interview. He also mentioned the "as long as I sit in this chair" line about 10,000 times. It sounds so pompous. He was talking like he and Ozzie had some disagreements, but no big deal and he was sad he was gone. I think the truth is halfway between what KW says and Cowley writes. And the major revelation was he was going to be the Sox GM for the next couple of years at the very least.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:46 PM) To me that is where KW went wrong after 2005. Many (myself included) were excited about the possible improvement in 2006 when the Sox acquired Thome, Vazquez, and Mackowiak. However, in hindsight, the sudden influx of cash may have been better spent on ground up development in the DR, Venezuela, Asia, Cuba, improved scouting dept., etc. They still would have competed at a decent level over the next 2-3 years and the results likely would have been no less disappointing. They could have used the money to improve the stable of talent a la the Braves building on their success in 1991 primarily via player development. KW could have continued to do what he does best with reclamation project FA signings and lower profile trades such as McCarthy for Danks/Masset rather than always going for the big fish. As they say, hindsight is 20/20. Spending money in Latin America at that time would have been a waste. See Wilder, Dave. How KW got out of that unscathed is beyond me.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) I'm glad a lot of people on this board despise KW. They may hate Ozzie but at least they hate KW as well. I wanted KW gone as well. I was extremely dissappointed when he said he and JR will discuss his status "in a couple of years".

I hope its Alomar Jr.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 06:16 PM) This is terrible news if true. It is true and it is terrible. He said in a couple years, and it did sound like he was planning on doing some form of rebuilding, he and JR will sit down and discuss his future.

KW just said on CSN he's on board "at least a couple more years". So he's going nowhere.

Oney saying he's thinking about bailing on the Twitter. 18 months too late.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 05:37 PM) JR? True that's his real boss, but I'm sure they have let him and Harold know what is going on, and I'm sure if they have been told the likelihood of who it will be.

Kurtjian was on the radio and said he talked to a Sox player who said the players talked more about Ozzie/KW than the game.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:16 PM) If I was Coop, I'd turn it down until I knew who my new boss would be. He probably has a pretty good idea.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) More good, definitive news: Chris Rongey Kenny says that Buddy Bell is not in the mix for the manager position. The case for Alomar is looking stronger #whitesox 5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Alomar has everything the Sox are probably looking for. They loved him as a future manager when he was on the team 3 or 4 times, so familiarity, he's well respected around the game and it would be his first managerial gig, so the price is right, plus not that it matters, I still think he has a place here.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) That's a relief. Every other name I've heard mentioned so far, I'd be fine with. There's a long list of things that need to be fixed beyond the manager, and we at least need to get this move right. I think anyone other than Alomar Jr. would be an upset.

Ballantini or whatever his name is, the CSN White Sox insider said KW is not Ozzie's boss, something many have suspected. Is KW turning into the least powerful GM in baseball?

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 26, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) Cowley's got quotes... http://twitter.com/#!/cst_Cowley Ozzie should just start packing now. He's done wearing a Sox uniform in 48 hours. The best one: cst_Cowleycst_Cowley Oz on no deal, "Things will have to change. My wife will have to shop less, I will have to drink less, Oney will have to get a job ... "

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:49 PM) The one thing that never gives you real knowledge is the stat column or wins and losses. The stat column says that this offense has been below average, average, and terrible the last 3 years, especially when you consider that they're in a hitters park. What about the talent level? Does that play a role? The offense isn't very good this year, but there are 3 guys that didn't do the job. Next time you're at a game sit next to the dugout. When a White Sox strikes out by swinging at a pitch over his head or pops up just think about how a guy sitting in the dugout is the guy who is totally at fault. I'm extremely confident if the Sox don't change personnel on the field the results at the plate no matter who is coaching them next year will have a familiar look, if not worse.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) Good point. So we can dismiss what players say about the coaches, I'm all for that. You get your real knowledge from the opinions of talk radio hosts and call ins, and message board posts.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) Usually, yes it does. Bad attendance issues, poor performance, bad client relationships. We arent talking about a guy getting laid off by a company that is downsizing, we are talking about a coach that is not being retained. And as we already learned, KW did not want him, a few times. And Jerry flipped it on him Joe Torre was fired a couple of times and he's going into the HOF as a manager. He's only had one issue with Kenny and that was a few weeks ago. Kenny fired him just like Kenny fired Ozzie last year. He gets mad at a subordinate because he was called out for being unprofessional. He didn't "fire" him because he thinks he a bad hitting coach.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:31 PM) Where the hell was the hold? Completely impacted the wagering there. It does make you wonder.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:26 PM) I am curious DA, when Walker inevitably is let go this offseason, what are you going to attribute it to? You obviously do not feel his performance in his position is worth letting him go, so will it be due to outside pressure(ie. internet, fans, media)? And try to answer that question without bringing up another coach. Guys get replaced. I really don't think he wants to be here anymore. Plenty of people in baseball and all over life are "let go". It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad at their jobs. You probably know someone personally or even yourself who has been let go from a job. Does it mean they were among the worst employees at their company? If the Sox thought Walker was as bad as the average Soxtalk poster thinks, he would have not been brought back a long time ago.