Dick Allen

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 28, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) If you are a baseball fan and can afford to buy tickets, it's stupid not to. What if you lived 200 miles from the park and worked nights and weekends?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 28, 2011 -> 12:47 PM) It's very important for '12 and onward to get Dunn hitting. He needs to be playing every day and hitting in front of Konerko to see if he can get pitches he can handle. Do you really think they are pitching him tougher the lower he bats in the line up? He did hit in front of Konerko, go check those splits. He has been horrible everywhere they have put him. He's been horrible when they play him every day. He's been horrible when they give him time off. He's horrible against LHP he's horrible against RHP. Did you know that when Adam Dunn falls behind in the count 0-1, his batting average is .101? Anyone who really thinks Dunn will walk away from his paydays if he doesn't turn it around, I hope you're right, but I really think his agent and family will have a say. The bottom line is if it continues like this, the Sox, no matter how much they owe him, will not be able to keep him on the roster, and he'll be able to be "retired" while still cashing huge checks.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) The bold part is pretty much what I said. You should probably read things more closely before painting me as something I'm not and attacking me for it. No, this is what you wrote: It's starting to get to that point where you can label him a bust, at least relative to his projections.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) Yeah that Paul Konerko for one I was thinking more like Ken Griffey Jr. who would have a fluke injury every year. Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah are a couple of Bulls that are hurt freakishly almost every season. I personally would keep Quentin unless someone was willing to give up a lot.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) Lilli really crushed that one. We were sitting out by the Sox bullpen and had a nice viewpoint of the ball sailing well over the wall. It was especially nice for him hitting what turned out to be the game winner in Safeco since he loves playing here having grown up in the area. My daughter got Will Ohman's autograph, her first White Sox autograph. She was excited about that. My first Sox autograph was either Tommy McCraw or Ron Hansen....can't remember which one. Tonight we get Larry Bernandez Bobbleheads. Woot. My first autograph was Bucky Dent. It was at a restaurant after a game. I was really a shy little kid, but I went up to him anyway and they guy couldn't have been any nicer. I'll never forget it.

The Sox will probably make a nice little run in Sept. Finish a few games over .500, wind up in 2nd place, and 5 years from now KW and Ozzie backers will bring up 2011 as a successful season.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 26, 2011 -> 05:33 PM) One of my concerns with Dunn is how opposing teams - namely pitchers - view him. Who is going to be afraid of Adam Dunn now? Pitchers will come right after him and try to strike him out, which will decrease his walk rate. No one will be afraid of challenge him and I'm not that sure the guy will make them pay for challenging him. Remember how we were all salivating about the "big lefty bat" in the middle of the line up? I would kill to see Dunn traded back to the NL. I know that probably won't happen and I'll still root for him as long as he is in a White Sox uniform, but still... At least they got him away from Paulie in the Sox line up. What amazed me was how long it took for opposing teams to stop letting Paulie hurt them with an automatic out and most likely a strikeout right behind him. 8th place hitters in the NL get walked all the time to face a pitcher. Why wasn't Paulie getting walked to get to someone who is hitting like a pitcher?

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) I hear you but I have little confidence in the current coaching staff to help him adjust. In fact, his swing has gotten progressively worse from Georgia to his rookie year to now. You could pin it on a coach or coaches, but ultimately Beckham knows what the problem is, and if he doesn't pan out, its on him. He's the one that has to adjust. Whether he can or not is the question. Knowing what you need to do and doing it hitting-wise are 2 very different things. You don't have time to think about a lot of things when the ball is coming. Everything has to be built in.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) could of happened to anybody, always happens to quentin. That is true. They may be fluke injuries, but there are a few guys that seem to get them on a regular basis.

QUOTE (SI1020 @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 12:58 PM) Why is recognizing the reality that Beckham is very close to being a bust mean you are an "I told you so" kind of person? Someone or something has ruined Beckham's swing and I fear he's going down the same path that Borchard, Anderson and Fields did. As for the other two I expect no comeback from either of them. At least not in a White Sox uniform. Because he's 24 years old. He was drafted in 2008. That's not yet a bust. You could call the entire 2011 White Sox draft a bust right now and be correct on most. Its silly. For all the people that want the Sox to dump all their good players and pick up prospects and spend more on the draft and sign more Latin players, they sure do not have any patience. If you are a bust 3 years after you are drafted, rebuilding will be miserable for anyone with that view. I read an article that it takes Dominican players about 8 years on average after they are signed to make it to the major leagues. That means they would be a bust for half a decade. Beckham's swing is long. We know what he can do if he can shorten it. Its up to him. He's definitely trying.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) Just remember, you were the one crying for Crede long after his back pretty much shelved him, you obviously dont know when it is time to receive value back for a player that is about to be risky and expensive. So other teams will be willing to give up top shelf talent so they can pay Quentin big money to wind up on the DL? For what the Sox could probably get for Quentin, if they can afford to pay him, they should keep him. If anyone hasn't noticed, the Sox have a difficult time picking up good hitters. When they have one, discarding them is foolish.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 27, 2011 -> 10:56 AM) Yes, it is. Only if you want to be an "I told you so" type of person, and brag to everyone you knew he would be a bust. Of course if he isn't you could always fall back on the I'm glad I was wrong, Go Sox line. He's obviously been a dissapointment, but he's still real young and we know he has it in him to be a really productive player. Whether it will come out is the question. I personally think it will, but the longer he goes without being really good for decent stretches, the longer the odds become.

Look at Adam Dunn the previous 5 years or so. He's no heavier now than he was then. No one was calling him fat on opening day. Maybe the problem is his conditioning and that he hasn't addressed it most of his career and it finally caught up to him. We can only hope its that or something else that is correctable during the offseason or you're looking at a guy the Sox may have to release to get better. There is no reason to keep someone that is performing like Dunn on a roster unless there is some hope he will get better. There's no way the Sox will go through this entire contract allowing him to take a roster spot if he doesn't improve.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 26, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) I'd fire him for that. Openly making fun of a player because you think the press has been mean? Totally unacceptable. What happened to all that crap about the rules of the locker room and supporting your own players? Who Ozzie, the guy that ran Jim Thome off last year then just said he'd love to have Thome back when he knew the Sox hadn't claimed him, and said it would be up to KW?

CQ is going to the DL. Viciedo is finally getting the call.

After seeing how Rios and Manny worked out, JR has probably ban KW from claiming anyone making more than minimum on waivers.

Beckham is the most likely IMO. Rios may turn it around for a partial season. I don't think he has the competitiveness to keep at it for 6 months. Dunn is an issue. He does have a nice track record, but he's been historically bad this year. IMO, if this is mental, the pressure to be good is only going to go higher. The Sox can't market him because people will only laugh. If there is nothing physical causing this collapse besides aging, I'm sure they have tried every adjustment to be made, and he's getting blown away by guys he used to own, while he may be better next year, it really isn't saying much. He can improve greatly and still be terrible. Beckham still has the carrot of a big payday in front of his nose.

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Aug 26, 2011 -> 03:22 PM) Hmm.. so is this going to happen or not? No

I know a lot of people think this is all mental and because of that, Dunn should be back to what he was next year. I don't understand how anyone could come to that conclusion. What is sitting around all winter going to do to rectify that? If anything, I'd rather it be something physical, then healing would come into play. I do think that is the spin the Sox will use, something like he came back from his apendecomy too soon or something else and that he fought through some pain.......you know the drill. If they do, it will be a bigger indictment on the organization seeing they had someone ready to go in his place.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 06:22 AM) Latest update, looks like Quentin will miss entire Seattle series too....yet, in their all-knowing competence, the White Sox never DL'ed him in order to bring up Viciedo because "Ozzie already has 5 DH's." Meanwhile, Dunn lost track of outs in an inning and "doesn't believe in scoreboard watching yet (until September)" when we're playing the Tigers... http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5648781.story Dunn saying he knew how many outs there were just was going to throw a scuffed ball out. Why would you do that when you're on defense? His explaination is yet another whiff.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) Not release waivers, trade waivers. If the Yankees claim him (and they will) and the Sox don't pull him back, the Yankees are on the hook for his salary for the rest of the season, and with the Sox out of contention, there's no good reason not to save that money. Yes there is. Draft pick compensation.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) Use how? Do people really think the Sox are still in it? This season is ova. I'm thinking going forward, but he's a free agent, Viciedo is coming, the Sox are stuck with Dunn and Rios, De Aza probably gets Pierre's spot. Quentin will probably be back. I don't think they would be willing to pay Kubel what some team will pay him.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 06:09 PM) So why is olney saying we might claim Jason kubel? Kubel is a guy I think the White Sox could use, but finding a spot for him and a contract for him after this year could be tough.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Thornton's a left-handed setup guy who will give you 60 IP. I'll take my chances with those 60 innings being pitched by Reed/Santiago. KW tried that approach in 2007, it not only didn't work it wound up costing him even more money.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 01:30 AM) I believe there was over a $10M difference in pay from his last season with the Sox then on to the Twins. It wouldn't look good for the organization to cut his pay that much. Thome was willing to sign a very cheap contract with the Sox last year. There were no issues with money at all. It would be silly to bring him back now. If the Sox were 6 1/2 games out a month ago, they would have surrendered. This season is ova.