Dick Allen

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 09:15 PM) I wish Freddy would teach Edwin the splitter. I think that would be a ridiculous wipeout pitch if he added it. Most pitchers that throw splitters lose their gas.

Jones actually could be pretty useful if he would alter his approach and stop trying to hit everything 1000 feet. When he's willing to go to right center he hits a lot more homers and gets on base a lot more

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:33 PM) His September last year wasn't all that bad. .218/.384/.449/.833. And as far as players being motivated when they're playing for contracts, do you think it's just coincidence that Konerko's two best seasons have come the year before he was set to become a FA? Not saying it's right. But it's reality. Konerko's 2004 was almost a carbon copy of 2005, and he had a higher OPS in 2006 than 2004 or 2005. You cannot compare Konerko's attitude with Manny's. There's no questioning Manny's talent, but he's taken a lot of time off during his career just to be stupid. His numbers would be ridiculous if he had Konerko's worth ethic.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:31 PM) So how could anyone report "Sox are close to deal with Dodgers", if they can't even be awarded the claim until Friday? Unless he was actually placed on waivers on Monday, and no one noticed? They can agree to a deal, but just can't actually make it until the Sox are awarded the claim. Who knows, maybe KW is only going to actually claim him if he can work out a deal beforehand. Perhaps they aren't willing to take on the $4.5 million total burden.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:29 PM) His September last year was still better than what Kotsay & Jones have done this year. And if he does 75% of what he did when the Dodgers traded for him in 2008, he would probably our best hitter for the last month. 2 years when you're 38, a bad leg, and no juice is going to make anything near what he did when he became a Dodger highly unlikely.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:26 PM) so who goes away to make room for Manram? Kotsay? Lilli? I predict Andruw Jones, which would disappoint given his defensive skills late in the game. From what I've read, the Sox really think Jones has been an excellent influence on Rios. I think Lillibridge would find his way to Charlotte and get called back up in a few days when rosters expand.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:20 PM) Then the Sox wont pick him up, its as simple as that. I am guessing he's at least healthy enough to DH which makes us alot better of a team. I hope he does better this September than last. I think even his biggest admirers would admit its at least a little sad when a guy getting paid over $20 million a year to do something has to have some sort of carrot put in front of his nose to get "motivated".

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:17 PM) Another quick question about waivers. Do they wait until the 48 hours are over to award the claim, or just until all teams have submitted a response? I would think a team like the Twins would wait until the last second to make their decision so the Sox have to wait longer to get Manny into the line-up. I find it hard to believe he was placed on waivers today, and the Sox have already been awarded the claim. Its 49 hours until a claim is awarded. You don't have to check no, so if something happens in the next day or so where you may want to put a claim in, you can.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:14 PM) Exactly, there is a 100% chance that he is better than Jones and Kotsay if he's healthy. The White Sox spent the 3rd least in offseason FA additions, they have cash. If he's healthy. I'm guessing he's not. There are a lot of players who would be an upgrade at the DH spot right now who you wouldn't have to pay $4 million to roll the dice.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 06:04 PM) DA, there is no guarantee. He could go end of '09 Jermaine Dye on us. But would you rather go with the guarantee that Kotsay/Jones will continue to be inept or that one of the top offensive forces in the history of the game can do what he's done his whole career? I'm not looking for 1999 Manny. I want a Manny that can get us to the playoffs. As far as the 4 million goes, I say f*** it. We've got a 4/5 starter making over 8 million in Edwin Jackson next year. We added Peavy/Rios last year when KW basically said he was broke. I've given up trying to figure out this team's resources and how they choose to allocate them. Finances aside, and its common knowledge I believe the Sox have a lot more money than they let on, as does Forbes. In fact, these leaked balance sheets the past couple of days seem to make Forbes numbers even more believable, and another owner who claims he breaks even every season, and didn't have the resources to help pay a bigger portion of the bill for their new ballpark, Mr. Loria, was caught making $50 million. I just think spending $4 million to have a broken down Manny Ramirez on your roster for maybe 30 games, and who knows how many of those he would actually be in the line up, could've and should've been so much better, but the White Sox continue with the build the club during the season when they admit no one wants to do anything for at least 60 games, then the deadline is there and teams are asking for too much.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 05:49 PM) So this is presuming that Manny was placed on waivers sometime Monday morning/afternoon? Who knows. Maybe KW is working something out now so if he did claim him he wouldn't be liable for the entire balance of the contract. As far as I know, there are no rules against talking trade about guys not eligible to be dealt yet, but I suppose there could be. It also may be exactly as you presume. He's been on waivers for a day or 2.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 05:46 PM) Honestly, anybody against it loses all rights to say a thing about Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones. Why would that be? Also whats the guarantee that Manny is going to be very effective in September? He's 0-7 with 3 ks since coming back. Last Sept. he hit .218 and I would imagine since his right leg has landed him on the DL 3 times this season, there's probably a good chance he's going to be missing some games when he gets here. That's $4 million that could've and should've been spent last offseason. Also there was a rumor going around the Sox claimed Trevor Hoffman on waivers. I don't know if its true, in fact, its probably not, but if true, they would pay Hoffman more for 1 month than DJ Carrasco would have cost for the entire season.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 11:48 PM) KW and Ozzie upset with each other again? Haugh was trying to explain KW's side of the story, but meanwhile, he made it look like Ozzie was upset with KW. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...4,0,5312.column Someone should forward this quote to Oney and his cabana boy Cowley: "In this case, I sent multiple texts saying, 'Hey is there something we need to do here (with the bullpen)?' And Ozzie and Coop each said, 'No let's ride it out,''' Williams said

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 08:41 PM) Also, the Manny mania would pay for his salary and then some from the tickets, jersey sales, etc. No way

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 08:04 PM) Simple question: Am I the only one that thinks spending 4 million on Manny would be an absolute waste of money? That would be my stance as well. Maybe if they would have spent that $4 million in January or February or March they wouldn't need any help now.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 07:57 PM) Don't really know what Thome has to do with all this considering he's not on this team and Manny would be mainly be replacing the sub .700 OPS, .300 wOBA Mark Kotsay but Manny's last 1000 AL PA: .297/.392/.508/.901. Hardly an argument against acquiring him. And those numbers were on the juice. I'm just pointing out a month of that production most likely won't be worth the $4 million plus they would have to pay him. There's a decent chance if Manny comes to the Sox, it won't go much better than Ken Griffey Jr. I wouldn't be surprised if he wound up on the DL. Also, it appears at least a few people think he's a savior. He hasn't been the same player since his bust.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 06:51 PM) My favorite quote in that article was "listen, im a byproduct of someone giving me a second chance. . " It sounds like KW isn't afraid of that PED cloud hanging over his head. I love the White Sox motto: Forgive, Forget and Move On. I can't wait to see Manny in a Sox uniform! I hope an NL team claims him. As was stated earlier, this is very much the opposite of the way KW does business. It almost makes me think its strictly a PR move for the Sox hoping an NL team claims him or someone in front of them in line and then they can always say, we tried to get him. I just don't think Manny is going to earn that $4 million plus the next month. Last Sept. he hit .218. His last 1000 American League ABs his numbers aren't much better, if they are really even better, than Thome's. Maybe it will light a spark, but oft-injured 38 year olds off the juice rarely earn $4 million in a month.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 11:49 PM) Acquiring Manny will propel them to the offseason, but thats about it. Adding Threets and a few other bullpen arms will help come September. I know I'm in the vast minority but I don't see where acquiring a 38 year old juicer who has been hurt most of the year would be all that beneficial to the White Sox unless KW also has a time machine. Of course that has never stopped him before.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) Isn't he the guy who got fired. Oney is just trying to get even, right? When the Sox win, Oney tweets about Ozzie's genius. When they lose, its always about KW not getting the job done. Yesterday he said Edwin Jackson would pitch game 2 and he knew what he was talking about, especially baseball. Turns out he was dead wrong, but really didn't comment on his error. He's a Guillen, that's for sure.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 10:42 PM) So let me get this correct, Ozzie's son is basically hinting that Kenny Williams is cheating on his wife? In today's world, "female friend" does not mean it's a plutonic r'ship. There was something in the Sun Times last year that said KW was out somewhere with Marion Brooks of Channel 5. KW might be separated or divorced or just a player. There was some pictures floating around the internet a couple of years ago of KW on a boat with some lovely bikini-clad young ladies that weren't much older than his kids. Buy Oney is just being an ass anyway. Who would think of twittering crap about their father's boss except some spoiled rotten brat who still lives with his parents?

QUOTE (BearingPro @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 08:51 PM) Poor Ozzie...he's all upset...how the f*** does he think we feel watching these bubbleheads day after day???? Ozzie is Upset If he doesn't like it he should go watch some other f***ing team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 08:11 PM) You don't want to wind up where the Rays/White Sox are this year on the DH spot though where they're pulling out random, nearly washed up people from minor league deals to fill their DH slot. It'd be nice to have a tryout first. Hawpe is a random nearly washed up person. The dude is being released while owed a decent amount of cash. Spring training is the time for "tryouts" not during a pennant race.

Even if Minnesota wins tonight, the Sox are only 5 back. I think if it gets to 7 or 8 its OVA, and we can all say the Sox would have won the WS if Joe West didn't umpire any of their games, but really, the Sox have only themselves to blame for the predicament they are in. As I stated before, the 2 losses to Minnesota when the Sox had the lead in the Twins final AB cost them 4 games in the standings. I think Hawk said today in the last week or so, the Sox have blown 5 games when they had the lead in the 7th or later. That's not on Joe West. That's not because Edwin Jackson misses a start. That's because the Sox blew it. They obviously showed they weren't as awful as they looked the first couple months, and they simply couldn't be as good as they were when they had a 26-5 stretch. I believe they are below .500 vs. AL teams. Face it, especially without Peavy, and if Thornton and Putz are hindered, they aren't exactly elite. All that said, maybe they get on another role. I believe my playoff money is due Sept. 7. As of now, I am paying it. Hopefully that won't change in the next 2 weeks. They do have a tough schedule, but ARod is now on the DL. Boston is having a hard time fielding a full team. They are catching breaks. They have to win at least 2 at home vs. MN, and have to beat the crap out of Det, Cleve and KC from here on out. They are games on paper they should win.

Someone needs to tell Hawk the Sox won the make up game. There was no guarantee Jackson would have won.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 02:07 PM) If it's any consolation, the Royals announcer LeFebre has brutalized West all weekend as well. It's not just Hawk. If you want to try a good announcer, check out the Royals' Bob Davis today. He's good. I actually like Hawk. When its just about baseball, I think he's as good as anyone. Unfortunately he truly believes every umpire has it out for the Sox.