Dick Allen

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 30, 2010 -> 07:38 PM) Where's the sense of urgency with this organization? Every single game counts. Stop putzing around. Manny being Manny. Get used to it.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Aug 30, 2010 -> 07:00 AM) From a fan or media perspective, I'm not sure exactly why the fact Manny makes $4M over the remainder of the season is even in the conversation when evaluating the move? This expenditure has no impact on next season's payroll, no impact on acquiring additional help this season, and cost us nothing in terms of talent. The only person that should care about the size of Manny's remaining 30 day contract is Reinsdorf and the other investors. As fans or as media, you can only judge this move based on what Manny does for the White Sox chance of winning this division.....any move that replaces Mark Kotsay with Manny Ramirez has absolutely got to be looked at as an improvement. How do you know what financial impact it has? Its $4 million that could have been spent on something more useful, perhaps earlier in the season. Manny is 38 and injured. If he could lead a team from a 4.5 game deficit all by himself, you would think he would have been in the line up this past weekend.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 11:38 PM) I'm not one to hate Barry Bonds, but I do think they are different, other than Bonds being a more of an "overall douche." I'm not sure what Manny's level of PED use was, but I'm fairly certain it does not approach the level of Bond's use. And that's not to judge Bonds or Manny, but to say they are the same, in terms of what they have done to ensure success on the baseball field, I think is incorrect. Barry Bonds was an MVP when he weighed 185 lbs. I think a lot of people assume Manny just started with the PEDs when he was busted. I would be willing to bet he took them most, if not all of his career in Boston and maybe some in Cleveland. Manny is a huge douche. Did Bonds ever fly out to the OF and not even run to first, just walk back to the dugout? Manny did. Manny dicked his way out of Boston and now LA. Maybe it will work out for 30 days. I tend to doubt it, but to me the worst thing that can happen is Manny plays well, the Sox still lose and they ignore history and give Manny some money in the winter. Even Ozzie said the other day Manny says hi to you one day and the next acts like he's never met you. He's a clown.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 08:03 PM) $40 a ticket, on average. 10,000 people. = $4 million. Concessions, parking etc on top of that. And a single playoff game...with nearly 40k paying $50 a ticket and also guaranteeing season ticket sales for next year... It doesn't take much in terms of publicity to cover $4 million. You said 500 extra tickets sold a game. There are 16 home games left. 8000 x 40=320,000. If he helps them make the playoffs, then perhaps it will pay off, but odds are against that at the moment.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:55 PM) This team is better off financially than we think. We need something like 500 ticket sales per game the rest of the season, or perhaps even less, to cover for Manram's salary. 8000 tickets covers 4 million +? If anyone knows they are better off than what we think, or what they say, its me, I've been trying to point it out for a year and a half. What I'm saying is if you're willing to spend this money for a broken down 38 year old for one month, you would have been better off spending it last winter and perhaps those 8000 people would have already bought tickets to several games. I personally think this acquisition is a borderline publicity stunt.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:50 PM) KW doesn't hate prospects THAT much. That's what I'm saying. What White Sox minor leaguer not on the 40 would you pay at least $1 million for if they were selling all of them?

QUOTE (EMONEY @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:47 PM) Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. The two worst things in sports are cheaters and quitters. Manny's been verified as both. I can't believe KW is bringing that garbage to the South Side. Since I live in Colorado and can't do it myself, I'm paying for one of my friends to go to a game just to boo Manny for me I'm in your camp, but the majority of people really don't care about the character of the players they cheer for if the team wins. If he helps them win, no one will really care what a jackass he is. Chances are, he's not going to help them win. If he does help them win, fans will be clamouring to have him re-signed and that honeymoon will end quickly as well.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:44 PM) Yeah, I would think at this point the Dodgers would just want to dump his entire salary. We'll see by tomorrow..... That's what I'm thinking. Its not like a trade where they really don't have any option except maybe partial salary relief and a garbage prospect or 2. If I'm Coletti, I'm taking as much cash as possible unless KW wants to give me a guy like Mitchell or maybe take a chance on a guy like Flowers for $1 million , although I doubt he'd make it through waivers.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:37 PM) Jayson stark is reporting that there still could be a swap of a player for some salary relief. I wonder about this. Who not on the Sox 40 man is worth $1 million or so to the Dodgers? I'm not questioning you at all, I'm just wondering. I would think if the Sox want significant salary relief, the prospect must be significant as well.

Am I the only one who thinks his picture on the wall looks like Andruw Jones?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:34 PM) I guarantee you the Twins aren't thrilled to see us get him. I bet they aren't quiverring either. $4 million would have been much better spent in the offseason.

If the Cubs were 4 1/2 out and they picked up this clown, this board would be laughing at them.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 07:21 PM) Damn you Dodgers. We really could have used him these last 2 games. This weekend ended too perfectly for the Dodgers in dumping him and essentially waving the white flag. After today, I'm sure there aren't many Dodger fans who even care he's leaving. Maybe he will be a spark, but if the Sox are picking up the entire salary for one month, they are admitting they made some huge mistakes last offseason. I think its going to be too little too late, but I can see where he will generate some interest.

Terry Bevington in the house.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) if a player is claimed, like Manny and then gets hurt between the claim and the deadline to make a deal, can the team still give him away or since he is injured, could the team who claimed him refuse the player? They can still give him away, but in most circumstances they wouldn't due to the lingering effects it would have on them in the future.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 12:09 PM) Manny not playing again today for Dodgers Is there any reason at all not to think the Dodgers will dump Manny on the White Sox? If they aren't playing the guy, either he's hurt or there is some spectacular prospect KW is willing to send their way. They can already get out of the money. Its almost like they are telling Manny please leave, you aren't going to play here, that the only hold up is fear he will say no.

Olney was on Baseball Tonight last night and said some service called Accuscores determined acquiring Manny meant 1/2 more win for the Sox for the balance of the season. Hopefully its against Minnesota. I just looked up accuscores. They like the Sox today .

I think KW probably would have at least claimed Fuentes considering the shambles the bullpen is in if he didn't possibly have over $4 million possibly tied up with Manny.

QUOTE (Real @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) Again, keep telling me we have this amazing medical, strength and conditioning staff So uh, Thornton might be back in 8 or 9 days because it was retroactive placement right? Blaming his injury on the Sox staff might be one of the most ridiculous statements of all time. He was an injury that has happened and was waiting to happen. So is Sale for that matter, and if Thornton blows out his elbow, it won't be the first time. Just about every pitcher is going to have some big issues eventually. Some sooner than others. Very few play 10-15 years anymore unscathed.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 03:00 PM) Didn't he just hit a couple of doubles his last night playing? Sounds like a smokescreen to me. It could be a lot of things. It could be straight and he's not ready for the better pitching in the league. He could still be a huge injury risk in the field and they can't DH him. They may think they really have very little chance and want to sit him and if they lose 2 out of 3, dumping him won't seem so bad, if they win 2 or 3 and get closer, they can say they won without him. Its anyone's guess, and if Nightengale is right and the teams have not had trade discussions prior to the claim, dumping the financial obligation is a pretty big motivator IMO if you really think you are probably dead anyway or better off without him. I couldn't have been more wrong with how I thought this scenerio was going to go, but if I was betting now I'd say Manny will be a White Sox if he agrees to come by Tuesday.

So let me get this straight, a guy his current HOF manager says is not ready to hit good pitching so he sits down is precisely the man that will lead the White Sox to the promised land? Personally I think Joe and the Dodgers probably think Manny will blow a calf or something if he plays the field right now. Its a real tricky situation for the Sox. They may get Manny, but it may not be for very long.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 03:44 AM) It's already pretty much too late, big russ. The p**** Twins are way ahead simply cause we can't beat them head to head. If it's close when we go to Minnie for that next 3 game series, it's heartbreak time again. We can't beat them. The Sox are done in Minneapolis this season but do have 3 left at USCF. I think you are a little off the deep end here, but one thing you couldn't be more correct about IMO is the head to head. Its what has killed the Sox. They are 5-10 against them. If they were just 7-8, they would be in first place. If they were 10-5 against Minnesota, USCF would be jammed every night and the team would be preparing for the playoffs right now.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 09:55 PM) Ahem.... >cough cough That was going out on a limb. I've got Pujols as my pick to click for the Cardinals tomorrow.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 09:42 PM) Our choices right now are guys like Threets and Harrell. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Trevor. He wouldn't be a horrid pick up, but he isn't exactly cheap.

I think KW cries poor just for the hell of it. As far as I know, JR is the money guy. Read this quote, JR hasn't mentioned anything about a lack of money but KW is looking for loose change: Whenever I've talked to (Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf), it's less about money even though we are stretched right now," Williams said, speaking in general terms. "We are stretched, and quite frankly we're looking at walkups every day to see exactly what we're going to have available to us. But he certainly hasn't given me any reason to think there are any restrictions right now on dollars."