Dick Allen

MLB Network interviewed Colletti and asked him about Manny. He said an AL club called yesterday afternoon and offered "pocket change" salary relief and no players back for Manny and it was immediately rejected.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:55 PM) Would you rather play for the White Sox or Yankees? Berkman wants his best chance to win a title, why fault him for it? He even apologized to KW. Christ don't take it so personal. I listened to an interview with Berkman on mlb network. It seemed they basically gave him a few teams to pick from and he picked the Yankees. Its a stacked team and his buddy Pettite is there, although he is good friends with Linebrink.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:47 PM) What don't you get? A deeper system and maybe they would've wanted something besides Dayan? Or maybe you could afford to deal Dayan? Dayan is more valuable to us than he would be to other teams because he's just about all we have left. And I'm with guys like fathom. I'm thinking Tyler Flowers isn't quite the prospect we think he is. And more importantly I think the White Sox don't think he's that great a prospect. What's not to love about a .220 hitting strikeout machine in AAA?

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:39 PM) In this economy, teams are going to be less likely to pick guys off waivers in fear of taking on the rest of the contract. You are correct, but guys like LaRoche and Scott aren't making a ton of money and they aren't owed money for years to come.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) jgoff670 No Dunn deal. Sox were offering Jackson and Flowers, Nats wanted Jackson and Viciedo. less than a minute ago via web Jason Goof wrong again.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) Let's face it, the best bet for Sox to have a productive DH is for Viciedo to become the everyday starter. However, I give that a 1% chance of happening. I agree with both points.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) Do you understand how waivers works? Most likely it will be for a PTBNL with prospects going later on. Do you not understand how it works? If any NL team claims LaRoche or any AL team with a worse record than the Sox claims Laroche or Scott, they cannot be White Sox. Its not like their contracts are so scary teams will pass. Rios made it through because he was owed $60 million, and for last season, how did it work out for the Sox?

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:17 PM) Holy s*** Jason Goff is saying that the Dunn deal might be announced shortly. Maybe it will be announced right after the Bulls press conference welcoming Lebron to town.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:13 PM) You can always get a deal done if you're willing to dramatically overpay. But that's no way to run a ballclub. Trading Viciedo to get a rental bat would have been stupid. So we didn't do it. Get over it people. The failure was going with Kotsay as a DH to begin with. I just think its time for people to stop thinking the Sox can go pick someone up near the deadline. Its a little more complicated than that. If no one wants to trade the first couple months of the season and prices are too high at the deadline, its time to stack your team in the offseason.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) You can easily grab a Luke Scott, LaRoche that way. I would really doubt either of those 2 would go unclaimed by every team below the White Sox

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) From my understanding they were willing to throw all but 1 million. No, they wanted LA to pick up all but $1 million.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:58 PM) Watch Jerry OK a waiver claim on Manny Too much cash. If they were only willing to throw $1 million now, they aren't going to want to throw a lot more than that for a shorter period of time.

We are minutes away from the : "I believe in the talent. We were only going to do something that made sense. There were some interesting offers out there, but ultimately we felt they did not make the White Sox better" speech.

I though DH only players were bad. They wouldn't seriously have put Manny in LF from time to time would they? I love how Cowley is now the guy believing he broke this story. No Joe you didn't.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:40 AM) Cowley is already saying that this was his "shocker" story, of which he know of no names at the time he was spreading this rumor. Considering he said they were working on a shocker and Rosenthal just said the Sox were rejected right away it again is just Cowley justifying his generic BS. Everyone on this board knows KW is asking about everyone. I'm sure he's even asking about more that would be shockers today. BTW, the story is the Sox wanted LA to pay Manny's entire contract save $1 million and wanted to send no prospects. It was easily rejected.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:08 AM) Why is there never pressure on Greg Walker to fix any hitter we get? Some are acting like Cooper can make just one small or slight mechanical adjustment in Jackson and his ERA will go from 5+ in the NL to minus 3.50 in the American League...I'd like to believe it's THAT simple, but I just hope KW and Cooper know what they're doing. Hopefully Jackson, if we actually end up holding on to him, hits the ground running. Interestingly, his first start would come against his former team, the Tigers, who are scuffling to stay in the race and are on life support these days. Thankfully, it will be in a pitcher's park where he feels comfortable. You certainly cannot believe Greg Walker gets a pass and the pressure is on Cooper. That really is beyond a reach. Supposedly KW said they noticed a flaw with Jackson. Maybe its just talk, but he was pretty good in the AL in 2008 and 2009 and can bring it up there at 97. Who knows, maybe if Peavy is healthy and Freddy comes back next year, Jackson is a closer.

QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:31 PM) I know he did... but he was also the first to say there's a hold up. I was following everyone at that point and Heyman, Rosenthal, etc were still saying 'on the verge', 'imminent', etc... It was imminent. It did happen in the morning. Cowley got his original info from those tweets and message boards.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:30 PM) I have a difficult time believing that the Nats would have such a massive hard-on for Jackson in the first place. It does seem odd that he would be a target, but its not just the White Sox who felt this way, so it probably is true.

QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:23 PM) He didn't start saying the 'off the radar' stuff until later, and really that was him just speculating because he didn't have a name. You may think he's full of it, but he was the first one to say hold off on Jackson while the national media was saying the deal would be done any minute (like around 7 this morning). No. He first said the deal could be done in the morning. Look at his posts. Anyone of us with no source could have come up with that. Easily. You will see if you ever really follow him, how innaccurate a lot of his stuff is. He just deflects people from looking at his errors by taking potshots at others.

Maybe if they don't get anyone, they give Viciedo some time at DH and he runs with it. Again, if he ever learns how to get on base other than by a hit, he could be a beast.

QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) The way I see it, Cowley's original tweet that the Jackson deal was on hold was the Sox finding out they could get Berkman. Berkman turned down the Sox trade offer, and the Sox went ahead with the Jackson deal and Berkman signed with the Yankees. But he said huge and off the radar. Berkman was far from off the radar. Joe is full of it. He likes to rip others, but his "sources" failed him again. In fact, his original tweet said the deal was so large, the Jackson deal would be off. The Sun Times probably gives him a bonus based on the hits his twitter account gets.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:14 PM) The thing with Cowley is he always like to say how numerous reporters are given false scoop by KW and company in order to keep the actual moves under the radar. I guess Cowley doesn't realize he's one of these reporters who is being used. That's true. He basically wrote an article earlier how KW loves the misinformation out there and basically inferred KW may be responsible for it. Then he leaks the Sox are working on something huge, but he has no names. He gets played by KW and the Guillens more than anyone.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:08 PM) Remember how one of the justifications for the rotating DH was that we could easily fill the spot if we had to by the deadline? We can all admit that was bunk now, right? We can still make a a move by tomorrow, but it sure wasn't the walk in the park that management seemed to think it'd be. The people who always talk about midseason additions are always fooling themselves. Its a lot easier to sign a free agent than make a trade with a team on July 31.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:03 PM) I'm sorry, but KW has no one to blame but himself if all this is true. If you're making what equates to a 3-way deal, you better make sure all teams are 100% sure. You make a 3 way deal. Not do it in pieces, but if Rizzo gave his word that getting Jackson would get you Dunn, and now he's singing a different tune, his days as a GM are more than likely numbered. I like to give KW a hard time, but if someone went back on their word, he's blameless here even if he was a little careless not doing it as a 3 way. If that was the plan, it appears all of Cowley's crap was total BS.

QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:14 PM) Yeah, I heard Cowley say that. Still wonder why KW would have hesitated on Jackson though unless there was another pitcher to get - or unless he thought he needed Hudson for the other deal. The Myers/Berkman thing just kind of seems to fit nicely - doesn't mean it wasn't BS though. He might have hesitated because Hudson might have been part of another deal. I'm glad the wife beater isn't going to be a White Sox.