Dick Allen

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 11:42 PM) Well, and the money saved by taking KW Jr. also went to Jordan Danks, I believe. KW Jr. did get $175k. Its easy to say Ozzie should be the one if someone had to go, but without seeing what is going on behind the scenes its unfair to choose. Regardless of whether he is "part of the organization" Oney Guillen as you stated is an embarrassment to the White Sox. He wants to have it both ways, telling people he knows more than them because he's around it then saying he really has nothing to do with the White Sox anymore. If Ozzie can't control his own son vs. the organization that set their family up for life and affords him the opportunity never to have to get a job, what kind of leader is he really expected to be in the clubhouse? If KW is playing childish games just to piss Ozzie off, and I have no proof he is, then he should go too. We really don't know the situation and never will. I don't think either would be a big loss at this stage. They have been living off 2005 for 5 years. It took 7 years of living off 1985 for the Bears to move away from Ditka. I find it hard to believe the Guillen family is pissed off they didn't overdraft Ozney. If he was a top 5 round prospect, certainly another team would have jumped on him, although Oney explains that as the White Sox announced they were going to take him so no one drafted him. Too bad they didn't make the same announcement for Strasburg. If Oney wants to be upset his brother didn't get drafted as early as he thought, that's one thing. If he's got a problem with KW and tweets away what an ass he thinks he is that OK I suppose, but to drag KW Jr. into it is wrong and classless, even if he is spot on with his scouting report.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:17 PM) I'm just amazed that no one has been given the boot yet. We've been terrible nearly all year and the only player we lost was Lucy. I'm not saying that a change would make us better, i'm just saying that i expected one to have been made at this point. I totally agree the lack of change is disgraceful, but if you're not going to change the players, nothing is going to change.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:16 PM) No Orioles pitching coach will be good when their pitchers have to face the AL East teams so often. If they had good pitchers they would be OK. I think the Cubs have scored fewer runs than the White Sox this year. They went through 2 hitting coaches last year, give Rudy big money and they have trouble scoring runs. If Leo had Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine in their primes with him in Baltimore they wouldn't have fired him with a year left on his contract.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:10 PM) How has Walker not been scapegoated yet? I'm not saying he deserves all the blame, but i would have thought someone would have taken the fall for this. Bringing in new coaches isn't the answer. You need different players. See Mazzone, Leo and Jaramillo, Rudy as a couple examples of guys given a ton of money sent to bad situations. See what happens when the talent level isn't up to par.

White Sox pitching was #2 in ERA in the AL last year and I beleive the starters were #1. That team wasn't even .500. I don't know if anyone reads the Bill James book with projections every year. Usually he has some wild numbers. He did have Freddy Garcia having the lowest ERA of Sox starters this year with an ERA in the low 4s

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:57 PM) Fine. The Sox's offense this year is barely, barely below the relative offense output of the 2005 world series champs. They finished the season 9th in offense; we're 10th right now. Plus a very low BABIP. The Sox are just unlucky.

Paulie tried a Buehrle.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:52 PM) Well, we were widely predicted to perform much better than this. If you have the Extra Innings package all the other team's broadcasters are shocked at how we have played with this pitching staff. Fathom, I am sure you have heard it. Average is much better than this.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:49 PM) Do you know what we were in the first half of year vs second half of year last season? I do know after 55 games each season, this year's team had scored 2 more runs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) This roster needed a lot of near career years to compete in this division it felt like from the offense. I agree. I don't think even the biggest pessimist would have thought things would go as bad as they have, but realistically this is an average team at best which is where most of the projections place them. Not the World Series contender KW made them out to be.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) yes, but there stuff looks like Mark Buehrle's compared to him. I wasn't even a believer heading into tonight. Not many pitchers have a 14/0 k/bb in their major league debut. He fanned 7 in a row at one point.

There was very little chance of winning this game. Ever since Thornton had his elbow issue, he's been a lot more hittable.

There's actually an article about direct tv issues today on chicagotribune.com.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 07:55 PM) Nice job by Gavin. Did anyone else have Directv issues today? No but have had DirectTv issues for a couple of weeks finally fixed on Saturday, but in our little townhouse community we have it coming through phone lines instead of cable lines so our issues are probably different.

Gets out of it fairly easily.

What ever happened to Leo Mazzone?

2 men on Cabrera up and Floyd in the stretch. This sounds so bad it will probably result in 6-4-3

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 07:48 PM) Any chance he can get stats back to his rookie season and we will call last year 'soph slump' ? He'll hit when its warm.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 07:35 PM) Part of that is because its his home park though. Familiar mound, landing spot, visual cues. Its easier to pitch at home in general. Its not all the dimensions. I agree. Most White Sox pitchers pitch better at home, in fact Floyd's ERA was 3.00 lower at the bandbox last year than on the road. It probably does help if its Petco, but Peavy is too good to be a bust as long as he's healthy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 07:42 PM) Farmer was blasting Gavin in the top of the 2nd there, saying how poorly his pitch selection was out of the stretch. He's always been better winding up. I'm just glad he didn't face Santiago out of the stretch.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 07:33 PM) Wow, if you dont think Alexei has improve as a SS, check out that last play. Great range and a great throw. He's made spectacular plays from the get go. That's never been his problem.

Grandel to the Reds

Choice to Oakland.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2010 -> 03:46 PM) I think it's only a matter of time before things snap back into place for Mark. I think he'd rip the NL apart. Its possible, but since his perfect game in 25 starts he is 5-13 5.07 ERA with a WHIP approaching 1.50

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 11:54 PM) In slight defense of KW I think he is probably holed up in the fortress of solitude plotting his team's attack on the 2010 Amateur Draft. Scouring the scouting reports for the next Kyle McCullough no doubt.