Dick Allen

I'd love to see Lou Piniella stoned from bong hits.

Just need a hit.

Castro should PH. LOL

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 06:30 PM) COME ON! If I have to watch the guy across the street from me hang that stupid ass blue W flag again I am going to go crazy. I had to keep myself from going over and setting the damn thing on fire yesterday. I didn't wanna get penalized by the association though. You have to get yourself an L flag. I was out in the suburbs last year and saw so many W flags. I bought my dad an L flag which he displays proudly after losses.

Pods only has 5 RBI less than he did the entire 2005 season. Good thing Buerhle gave him KW's number.

Soto can't argue that call.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 06:24 PM) It's a lively crowd. Jenks should have the extra adrenaline he thrives off anyways. Yes. The non-save no adrelaline is not applicable today.

What is the deal with Poreda? He's been getting outs but I was led to believe he throws 95-98. At the game the other night it was 92-93.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 06:07 PM) All I get is an error. Seems pretty appropriate tonight.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:02 AM) I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he has an attorney of some sort. If he didn't authorize his attorney to run a real background check on Hernandez, that's his own damn fault. And yeah, that goes for anyone else who was risking their future on this guy. I understand that it's easy to get snowed by a smooth-talking guy who's flaunting his wealth, but for your own sake you've got to be suspicious enough to try to protect yourself. If I'm North, I'm completely embarrassed that some guy online paid 4 bucks to discover "his guy" was a fraud. As I've stated before, in my line of business, I have background and credit checks done on people everyday. We've been lucky we haven't been burned, but its amazing how many of these checks come back clean or very close to it, but later we find out its a very different story. The White Sox did business with Hernandez as did Comcast Sportsnet. A lot of people did. To single out North isn't fair, and I'm not a North apologist.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 09:28 PM) Where did I say everyone else isn't accountable? Is North a victim? Absolutely. However, he was the spear head behind Webio, Hernandez was his financier. North was the one involved with Hernandez this whole time, and during the recruiting process, sold guys like Weber, Hood, ect on Hernandez. Now, when you realize stuff looked too good to be true, should someone have stepped up and started peaking around? Probably, and thats something I'm sure they look back on and regret. My point is North brought all these parties into the fold and irresponsibly sold Hernandez to everyone after a google background check. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=...595&start=0 Check out this thread from the radio message boards. So this guy spent $3.95 AFTER he knew Hernandez was a crook. Do you go to the Tribune archives everytime you have a new business venture or are considering a job change? I doubt it, and my point earlier was when Webio's business model was questioned, and everyone was wondering about all the money they were tossing out, even Tribune reporters who I'm sure wouldn't have to shell out $3.95, didn't have this story, why didn't these stories come out then? Its easy to blame North because he's not a very likeable guy. I would bet if it were someone more people respected, they would get sympathy, not blame. There are even a lot of people who think North is in on the scam. That's ridiculous. For all we know, the information Hernandez provided North about himself didn't include employment at the bank in question. David Hernandez appears to be a pretty common name. A google search using David Hernandez banking gives you 1,440,000 results. Obviously a google search is pretty inefficient if you have any inkling of earlier troubles. But really, what many Monday morning QBs consider standard, they themselves have never done, at least anymore than an obligatory google search. I palled around with a guy at my health club, spotting each other on the equipment, pushing each other on the machines. I went out for beers with him a few times after working out, you know putting the calories you just burned off right back in. (I'm married, so don't think there was more to this than I let on) One day I'm watching the news and they had this thing about sex offenders and you could go to their website and they have a link to see sex offenders in your area. I don't have kids so although I have been aware there are such lists, I've never looked at them. Well, for some reason I linked it up. They had a map with little dots where the offenders were located. You click on the dots and the offenders' name and photo and arrest info pop up. The first one I click on is my "buddy" at the club. I considered him a friend. I introduced him to my wife at the club. We probably would have all done something together eventually. If I had kids and never looked at that site, I probably would have exposed them to him and that's far worse IMO than losing your job because a guy is a phony. Am I a fool for not doing a search on him? If I did, is it a guarantee I would have found something? If anything, and I feel for all webio employees including North, they are guilty of not living by the "if something seems too good to be true, it probably is" rule. You can't blame them for falling for it. The checks didn't bounce for a while. Everything was set up. I know I would have most likely fallen for it. The radio business seems to be dying as well. All the big money guys are taking paycuts. Hernandez tripled their salaries. It was the perfect storm.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 05:54 AM) I sure as hell have many times! Easy to claim. If you have, good for you, but you still would be in the minority. Most of the people ripping North for doing business with this guy would have done exactly the same thing if they were in his shoes.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 09:00 PM) Sorry, that doesn't work for me. North staked his entire reputation over a guy he had no knowledge of, and signed on with a guy he did a "google background check on". He involved his closest friends in the operation, and assured them it was a fantastic opportunity(this has been confirmed by a few parties involved). You can defend North all you want, but when guys on message boards spend $3.95 to go back to the Tribune archive and find articles on Hernandez being a felon from 1999 and 2003, it's COMPLETELY irresponsible on the part of North. Thats why you have a lawyer. Spend a few hundred dollars on a background check before you sign a multi million dollar partnership with him, especially if you couldn't pick the guy out of a lineup a week before you signed on with him. There was public information about David Hernandez that was easily accessible, and North and BeBe didn't find it. It's not even about it being Mike North. I would be saying this if it happened to anyone in this situation. There just is no way to defend the guy after he was this irresponsible in signing with Hernandez. This I agree with. I know a few of them personally, and it's just terrible for guys like Hood and Chet, who really have no place else to go. So North is the moron for doing business with Hernandez, but the others aren't idiots for doing business with Hernandez because North gave the OK? I'm sorry I don't buy it. If you liked Mike North, I think you and everyone else who is giving him a hard time, would have a totally different take. North lost money as well. I think I'm shocked that no media member or organization was able to expose Hernandez either until it was too late for the innocent. Considering all the questions webio's business model raised from day 1 , you would think someone with access to more information than even Mike North could have at least come up with the fact that this guy did time. If the Tribune had stories on him, how come none of their writers or reporters ever mentioned the information? I'm my line of work, I have background checks on people daily. We pay a service to do them. They don't get everything, and sometimes they get nothing. I'm in the minority as I think, even though I don't particularly care for him, Mike North is a victim. In fact, North may have indirectly been responsible for Hernandez getting caught doing bad things again. Webio wasn't his only crime.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) Not a Shaer fan but, Chet and North both did a pathectic job of business sense 101 before signing papers with the idiot on the lamb! I'm sure you've done extensive background checks with everyone you have done business with as well. I understand people don't like North and are probably giddy this sort of thing happened to him and are playing Monday morning QB saying he should have known. Its not so easy. The Tribune had the story on his sentence back in the day. Hernandez has been in the spotlight for several months, and the stories have been out there how the employees were getting triple what they were where they came from. Many questioned the viability of such a business model, yet no one knew anything about Hernandez until it was way too late. North looks like a fool, but I don't think he had malicious intent. The old addage if its seems its too good to be true, it probably is plays out here, but I have a hard time blaming North or anyone else who signed on. They just did what probably everyone here, even the ones who slammed him, would have done. Even if you don't like any of the webio guys, you should feel sorry for their families. All these guys were victims of a criminal.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 19, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) Yes, because two young starting pitchers going through a bad spell, definitely are a great comparison to an aging relief pitcher showing signs of decline. Linebrink's bad spell has been about 7 innings. You are going to have bad outings. Obviously several in a row is troublesome, but Linebrink isn't going anywhere. We better hope he gets it together quickly.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 10:09 PM) You'd be surprised at the number of people who've given up on him. It's not out of the question to buy low for a guy who dominates the minors, but can't get over the major league hump. It’s eerily similar to the Gavin Floyd situation. Considering they wouldn't trade him for Jermaine Dye, I don't think he's available to buy at a discount.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 10:05 PM) I’d like to clear room for guys like Brandon Allen, and buy young, underrated talent. Guys like Brandon Wood and Homer Bailey. I want KW to take risks, I want to get younger, I want to experience the glory of Danks, Floyd and Quentin all over again. I recognize guys like Freddy Sanchez and Chone Figgins as talents, but I’m not interested in either of them. We need to look towards the future, the future is now. Homer Bailey underrated? Here's his BA rankings: Prospect Rankings* 2005 - #48 ranked MLB 2005 - #1 ranked for CIN 2006 - #38 ranked MLB 2006 - #1 ranked for CIN 2007 - #5 ranked MLB 2007 - #1 ranked for CIN 2008 - #9 ranked MLB 2008 - #2 ranked for CIN If anything, considering his major league performance, he's overrated if you ask me.

Maggs is getting benched. He hasn't hit for power and he's in the same boat Frank Thomas was in with the Blue Jays last year. A huge option becomes vested if he gets enought plate appearances. Personally, I think its good for the Sox. Maggs would eventually start mashing.

Johan Santana was a bullpen guy. I don't think Poreda's secondary pitches are polished enough to get major league line-ups out multiple times. Let him get his feet wet and some confidence by picking his spots. Ideally you'd like to see him more than he's pitched, but even though I don't always agree with Ozzie, I think he's doing the right thing.

A big play in that game was Beckham's HBP. He obviously had his hitting shoes on today, and for all I know he may not have received anything to hit the time he did get hit, but Floyd was probably going to be retired. Beckham was the shot at scoring that inning. He seemed to convince the umpire he was hit. I would have like to see him take a couple of cuts.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) If true than your right. I still think what rosenthal is saying is that no one that can afford Dye is also willing to give up the type of prospect(s) it would take to make the Sox willing to move him. He made it sound like if some team were able to scrap up the money, no legit prospect would also be a part of a package. He could be wrong, but I really thing financial restraint is going to occur this deadline, although the Tigers surprisingly are now said to be willing to take on money. Illich is willing to take a bath to get a shot.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 06:46 PM) I don't agree. They could have had him for nothing a month ago. If he's lights out, the White Sox are trying to win, they will keep him. If he struggles, no one is picking up his contract. Rosenthal had an article last week that no one could afford Dye. They aren't going to go for Contreras unless the money is even and if that's the case, I really don't know what the benefit of trading him really is. We see the upside the last two starts.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 06:45 PM) At this point during the season, wouldn't another team have to pay like 5 million? And they aren't going to pay it.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) One day you just may realize you are not funny. I would wager against it. Probably not. Thanks for your imput.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 18, 2009 -> 06:09 PM) You're quite possibly right, fathom. Tomorrow night's performance by Jose may be rather large in the scheme of things. At least a few GM's will be watching Jose closely. If he has another great performance, his trade value escalates further, but if KW is convinced we now have four solid starters, he'll look at Det/Minn and say "hell no, we're not packing it in". Whether, we agree with him or not, I think that's his nature. If the Titan reverts to mediocrity, it might be a missed opportunity, but I'd guess that most GM's are waiting to see one or two more performances first. Jose can throw a no hitter in each of his next 2 starts. If the Sox don't pick up most of the money left on his contract, he's not tradeable unless the Sox take back a big contract.