Dick Allen

Pods has been playing well, but chances are its not going to last.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 08:00 AM) As the player coming in on the ball, it is Anderson's job to tell Getz that he CAN'T get to that ball. He is the general on that play, not Getz. Actually both players should assume the other one is not going to get the ball until they are called off. Not hearing BA say he's got it is a signal he isn't going to get it. The ball yesterday was no one's fault. With the infield in and the OF back, its one of the risks. I think people need to give Getz a break. He's a rookie. Rookies struggle. Plus he's far from 100% physically. There's a hitch in his giddyup still. His ankle is bothering him.

You have had guys like Wise and Lillibridge leading off. Corky Miller actually hit 6th. Quentin has been hurt. This roster is lacking a few things when at full strength and offensively hasn't been full strength all year. The GM needs to correct his mistakes. As good as Danks II and guys like Allen may be, if you have a couple of rookies in the line-up all the time, they do struggle and will hurt your offense. Strikeout machines like Wise and Fields and BA don't do much for the offense, but if they changed hitting coaches I'm sure they would all be competing for a batting title. The verdict is this team needs better players.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:19 PM) More I think of it, the more I agree. My point being the September call-up will be facing a lot of September call-ups. If you bring him up in August, you cut about 28 games from his minor league experience, but he'll face guys he will face in 2010, and you won't get the false read you get with so many guys playing some meaningless games against guys that will be in AAA or selling insurance the next season.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:15 PM) Why did I get my hopes up with a White Sox offensive player coming in and producing right away? That's why I hope if Jordan Danks is in the plan for Opening day next year, they get him up in August or so.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) Very much so. But Walker clearly isn't getting through to them either. So what's the point of having him around? The point being there isn't the personnel there to do the job. It would be like firing Cooper because MacDougal and Whisler can't throw strikes. They work on things, it doesn't mean they are truely capable of doing them in a real game.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) Not until he stops striking out so much. Give him the entire year in the minors, and then see what you have. Striking out everyday he would really feel like part of the team.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) True, but the approach we use is horrid. We do not do the little things, and have no idea how to go the opposite way. I was driving yesterday and listened to Rongey they had some guys on during BP, they were working on going the other way. They work on it, but when it comes to game time it doesn't seem to happen. Isn't there the slightest possibility it is personnel-related?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) So Jordan Danks got out in his 2nd ab today. His average plummeted down to .357. Supposedly Buddy Bell said he's major league ready right now.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) I'm starting to learn how Chris Rongey feels after a loss It is amazing how many people really think the Sox would have a .350 team batting average and score 12 runs a game if they had a different hitting coach. They need to look at the players. That's on KW.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:58 PM) Walt Hriniak was fired and he was Frank Thomas' personal hitting coach. Performance talks, bulls*** walks Walt was fired because of his ornery personality. He didn't mix well with the White Sox young players. Walker isn't like that. Hriniak never was hired by other team.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:58 PM) Why wouldn't Fields and BA, two highly touted first rounds picks be a sign of failure? Fields was a strikeout machine in the minor leagues. You only think he's a star because he hit more homers than he ever had before in the majors in 2007. He's not that good. And Willie Harris, .262,.256 with the Sox in a limited role. .176,.270,.251,.259 since. Wow, getting out of Walker's grasp has allowed him to take off.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:54 PM) Magglio Ordonez won a batting title, didnt he? Maggs was a great hitter with the White Sox. I would take his White Sox years over his Tigers years any day of the week.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:55 PM) Why shouldn’t he take blame for two great minor leaguers failing to carry their success into the majors? Didn’t you just argue that he deserves credit for Q and Konerko? Konerko has said on many occassions Walker fixed him. But don't listen to him, just your own very wrong opinion. And if every failure can be blamed on Walker, why wouldn't a guy who was acquired for an A ball first baseman and was almost a MVP not be a feather in his cap?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:53 PM) i actually feel sorry for Whisler. Do other teams call up starters and put them in the pen like the Sox do? Don't feel sorry for him. He's pitching in the Show, and unless he was in Washington or something, he'd top out at AAA.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:51 PM) My argument is that these kids had and have promise that was never fulfilled at the Major League Level. These guys were great Minor League players who failed to carry sustained success into their major leaguer performance. While you can blame a large part of that on mindset, are you going to tell me that the hitting coach escapes all blame? Fields hit .275 with 512 strikeouts in 1685 minor league at bats. He was and is far from a sure thing, no matter who the hitting coach is. He can't catch up to fastballs. That's not Greg Walker's fault. Anderson may develop but whether it was his fault or the organization's his growth was stunted the past couple of years. Sometimes you don't get that back. Again, BA hitting .250 instead of .300 and blaming Greg Walker is about as dumb as it gets.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) Who was the hitting coach? The arguement you made is that BA and Fields never had any talent. That's B.S, they just haven't realized it when they got to the Majors. Who has left the White Sox and gone on to rake with another team?

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:42 PM) And the reason they are in the lineup is because Ozzie is an idiot/Kenny is an idiot. I blame Walker for the lack of any good plate discipline by anyone except maybe Konerko. And yes, Fields is a major league talent. As is Brian. You should be the hitting coach.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:40 PM) It really makes me laugh that the only argument in defending Walker is that Cooper should be getting just as much s***, rofl. I really don't blame Cooper for anything. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in how they are judged. Cleveland now has 8. If the Sox have 0 Walker needs to be fired.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:38 PM) I never once blamed Walker for the failures of Wise and Lillibridge, and anyone who did is an idiot. Both of those guys were clearly not Major League talent. When they are in the line-up, the contribute to the lack of runs, and you blame the lack of runs on Walker.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:37 PM) Because Coop has succeeded with a great number of our pitchers beyond their expectations (including a good deal of young guys) where Walker flat-out hasn't (including a good deal of young guys). Coop also has arguably the best 'pen in baseball right now. But really, to make it clear, if we were to fire both Coop would have another job in a week and Walker wouldn't. I'm glad you're a baseball executive and know this. Quentin, Ramirez, Konerko, Dye came back after being awful with Oakland and he was healthy his final year there. As I said, the White Sox line-up has a lot of crap. That's not on Walker.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) Because we all know Colon has nothing left in the tank. Even Cy Young himself couldn't help him figure his s*** out. You also get on Walker with an offense that was put together so well it had Wise and Lillibridge leading off.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) Because we all know Colon has nothing left in the tank. Even Cy Young himself couldn't help him figure his s*** out. What about Danks?

f***ing Cooper.;

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:32 PM) My god, Lou Piniella takes about a year to get out of the dugout. His gut is causing a lot of strain on the lower half of his jersey.