Dick Allen

Why is Cooper not getting any crap for Colon giving up all of these home runs? There are a lot of people on this board that make no sense. If the Sox offense is bad, its on the hitting coach. If they give up 6 runs in 5 innings, the pitching coach has nothing to do with it.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:28 PM) Greg Walker can join him. How many f***ing shutouts before someone fires the coach whose job is to prevent them? Great job there by Walker, avoids the shutout.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) Honestly, is Beckham gonna stay on the big team or be sent down? Until he goes 0-42 and beats Ventura, he's staying. Why the panic? Its 0-8. I'm sure every White Sox has an 0-8 at some point this year.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) Beckham has an upper cut swing right now, why? I'm sure Greg Walker hypnotized him and ruined him.

If the Sox and Orioles switched divisions, the Sox would lose 90-100 games, but they have a legit shot in the Central, still.

Beckham is listed at 6' but he looks tiny.

Its amazaing on a board that has constantly belittled the White Sox supposed all or nothing approach, how much love Josh Fields and now Jayson Nix get. Perhaps two of the biggest all or nothing hitters the White Sox have had the past several seasons.

USCF isn't playing like a bandbox so far this year. The Sox are hitting 65 points better on the road and their pitchers have an ERA about 1.00 lower at home.

I really thought they would be 9-3 or 8-4. If they do go 8-4, it means they have to win their next 7. If that happened they would be in first place. While I was very hopefully 5 days ago, I'm concerned now. The hitting will pick up. This team is hitting .216 at home. That's not going to last. Another problem is after this homestand, they have 9 games in a row without a DH. That's not going to help the run totals.

First off, would everyone feel a lot better if the scores the last 2 nights were 7-1 and 6-1 avoiding 2 shutouts? Frankly, look at the line-ups those days and tell me how many runs you expected the team to score. Getting shut out by Adam Eaton was embarrassing, but if that's on Walker, the Texas hitting coach, the guy everyone seems to think is God, had his team shutout by Dontrelle Willis this season. I think Greg Walker will look a lot smarter when and if Quentin returns to the line-up if he's at full strength, Dye gets back, and Beckham gets comfortable being a major leaguer. Right now, especially if Dye isn't playing, this is an offense that isn't going to cause a pitcher much stress. Last night, Pods doesn't strike fear into anyone, Ramirez is going to swing at anything close, Thome and Konerko are the stressful part, AJP can do some damage but he doesn't make you work, Beckham just started, BA,Wise struggle, Getz has been struggling and is hurt. There's not much there. What hitting coach in the universe is going to have that team score 7 runs last night? If you're going to have a roster where Dewayne Wise led off, Brent Lillibridge led off, now the released Scotty Pods is leading off, featuring a couple of rookies with guys like Wise and BA and even Ramirez struggling a lot of the time, your hitting coach, no matter who it may be, is not going to look very good. As bad as the hitting has been these last couple of games, why does the pitching get a pass? They would have had to score at least 8 to win Thursday and at least 7 to win Friday.

QUOTE (Cubano @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 11:50 PM) A few of you got into my case when I wrote during ST that this guy was a liability. Where have you gone now? I had the same opinions about this guys and I wrote let the kids with talent play over these bombs. Bret L. Betemit Owens Fields's faith is to be determined. Funny how Fields' "fate" has changed. You had Viciedo playing 3rd base. In fact, you thought Ozzie was playing games with him. He hasn't been much better defensively at 3rd than Betemit and only recently started to hit in AA. The other, Owens and Lillibridge, most knew, unless they were under the spell of KW can do no wrong, they were garbage. But to be fair, you were absolutely right about the back-up 3rd baseman. Betemit was awful defensively. His offense, I believe would have been just fine if given at least some regular AB and letting him face RHP, but every error he made seemed to haunt the White Sox.

I'm sorry, the White Sox line-up without Quentin and Dye is beyond weak. If your pitching against it, who wears on you besides Thome and Konerko? Pods isn't going to scare people. Ramirez can do some damage but you know it will only be a couple of pitches, same with AJ. BA is going to scare no one. Wise wouldn't scare an 8 year old. Beckham and Getz are rookies and will bite at most pitches close. Unless they hit them in the seats, putting together multiple hits to score runs with the current line-up is not going to be easy. 2007 we moaned and rightly so about guys like Erstad leading off and Andy Gonzalez. Now we have had guys like Brent Lillibridge and Dewayne Wise getting AB. I really don't know what Ozzie is trying to prove with Wise even on the team. If he's going to call out others, he needs to call him out for stinking up the joint. He really has no business on a major league roster right now. Unfortunately the organization is not yet deep enough to supply even an adequate replacement for him. I thought they would be in first place after this homestand. Now I just hope they can break even. One third of the season is OVA and the Sox are on a 75-87 pace.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 10:09 AM) I e-mailed the media guy for Charlotte, and he said that Corky Miller is "not with us." Anybody know anything official? I haven't seen anything that says he did or didn't accept an assignment to AAA. All I've seen was that he was outrighted. If he was coming, he would have said "he's not here yet." On a DFA they get 10 days to do something. I don't know if they released him or not. I don't think it really matters to anyone but Corky and his family.

QUOTE (kristofer @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 05:30 PM) the problem is... the whole entire team isn't hitting well. it isn't just one person that is the problem. cooper has a great track record with all his starters, so if his whole staff has an off year, it's completely normal for a regression. this team has had hitting problems since 2005 with 2006 being an anomaly. Pods is doing better than expected. Ramirez is coming out of a funk Thome is doing about what can be expected Dye is doing about what can be expected Konerko is hitting about .300 AJP is hitting about .300 Quentin has been hurt Fields has sucked but his average and OBP are about the same as they were when he was supposedly all world Nix is doing better than he did in Colorado Miller hit .205 which is much better than his career avg. Betemit sucked Beckham is incomplete Wise has always sucked Anderson is hitting .260 I think its time people realize this roster may be lacking. They have some good individual parts but the mix is not all that great. None of any White Sox players' struggles, pitchers or position players, can or should be blamed on the coaches. Borrowing a line earlier in this thread, doing so would just be ignorant.

For the thousands and thousands of fire Greg Walker posts, I have yet to see one that actually names someone as an available better alternative. Firing Walker because some of these line-ups don't score would be like firing whoever is "coaching" defense because Betemit couldn't catch the ball, or firing Cooper because MacDougal couldn't throw a strike.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) How about your own eyeballs? Do you trust those? Frank Thomas put on about 45-50 lbs from 1990-1993. Michael Jordan put on about 40 lbs of lean muscle. Check out how much weight Thome put on. Its not impossible that Sosa is clean.

I personally think Zambrano has a higher upside the next few years than Peavy. He was a Sox fan growing up because of Ozzie. Maybe Ozzie being his manager plus Zambozo being new to the team, adjusts his attitude a bit. Frankly, I couldn't believe the Sox would have been able to get Peavy for that package and the money is virtually the same. I would make this trade in a heartbeat if I were KW. As for Hendry, right now he may think Peavy is better than Zambrano, and the Padres we know are in. There definitely is a huge risk, owing a guy like Zambrano that kind of money is risky, but it also could pay off huge. If I'm KW and it was possible, I definitely would do it.

A blogger had the idea of a 3 way trade between the Sox, Padres and Cubs. Since Peavy would go to the Cubs, if you were KW, would you trade the same package, although if Broadway was involved, it would have to be tweaked, and get Zambrano instead?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 11:08 AM) Thats means McGuire, Bonds, Palmeiro, etc will all get in, which I dont think will happen. Sosa cheated and got caught with a corked bat, and he is one of the more obvious juicers in the game. I dont think he would get writer's votes, nor the vets. Listen to Hawk and all the old players talk about corking bats. Its been quite common and they all laugh about it. Personally, I think Sosa juiced, but if they are going to hold suspicion against him instead of proof, I find it very sad. Bonds and Palmiero tested positive. McGwire used creatine and probably steroids, but he didn't hit 600 homers.

Unless there is something that nails him for steroid use, he has to be a first ballot guy. He won't be, and will probably have to wait a while, but you supposedly are innocent until proven guilty in this country, although if you played in the current era, you are quilty until proven innocent. The HOF is loaded with guys who used PED's. Maybe not steroids but other things.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 09:27 PM) One wonders why the Expos ever traded him in the first place. He was very wild, and was getting older for a prospect. He struggled initially in Seattle. The White Sox actually had a trade worked out for him in the early 90's right before he really took off. It was so close they had a jersey with his number hanging in the clubhouse. Unfortunately, it fell through.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 07:54 PM) Congrats to him. We won't see another 300 game winner for a very long time, if ever again. It will be a while, but it will happen again. After Early Wynn got his 300th in 1963, there wasn't another one for 19 years or so IIRC. If Jaime Moyer can get 250 with the start of a career he had, someone is going to do it. If Buerhle wanted to pitch as long as Moyer has, he'd probably get there.

QUOTE (boejouma @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 01:13 AM) i would have been upset had we acquired him So would I. He would have cut into Dewayne Wise's playing time and when Quentin got back, Scotty Pods wouldn't have been able to play CF every day. I don't know what KW would have had to give up to get him, but I would imagine is at least one or two of the same guys he would have to dangle to get a legit pitcher. He was wise to hang on for that.

I heard today that the 1993 White Sox with Frank Thomas, Robin Ventura, Tim Raines...........had been shutout 7 times at the same stage. Only one less time than the current group.

My prediction for sometime in the next week to a month. Dewayne Wise will be sent down or released. The White Sox will make a big deal about how its a shame he hurt his shoulder as he was just about to take off as a player. Like a guy with Wise's track record is going to hit .300 with 25 homers.