Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) How did my statement have anything to do with anything but our minor league instruction. Your b****ing as the Sox are getting shut down during a major league game. Which player(s) in the White Sox system would be good major leaguers if you were their hitting coach? The problem with the White Sox minor league system has a lot more to do with lack of talent than anything else. Ryan Sweeney was once a hot prospect, but how many people b****ed about his lack of home runs? You are so hung up with "lift and pull" which you have now changed to "Borchard swing", you're just wrong.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 06:14 PM) Our organization believes that hitters are finished products, and they should work on hitting the ball hard. The rest of the baseball part should of been covered in college and high school. They model all swings after Joe Borchard. And make sure we trade away all players that have any resemblance of a line drive swing. I look at the line-up and see Swisher in LF, not a product of the White Sox organization, Owens in CF, a semi-product of the White Sox organization, but certainly not with a "Borchard swing", Dye in RF, not a White Sox product. Crede at 3rd, perhaps you have an argument there, Cabrera at SS, not a product of the White Sox organization, Ramirez at 2B, his first year in the USA, Konerko at 1b, not a product of the White Sox organization, Pierzynski at C, a product of Minnesota, and Thome at DH not a product of the White Sox organization. If you have a beef, it should be with KW for acquiring players that play a way you don't like. Evidently there are several other organizations that must teach the "Borchard swing" if your statement has any validity, which I believe it doesn't.

QUOTE (kageman129 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) Can anyone give me website links or videos of Nick Swisher's handshakes and celebrations? My bowling season is starting up today and I wanna try to have a pumped up team and have a lot of fun, so I thought some of his handshakes or jumps or whatever would be fun. Any help would be amazing. I have been searching online for awhile and can't come up with much . . . Thanks guys! No, but there is a 15 second clip on youtube of all his hits this season.

It probably was an error, but to give it to him would be wrong IMO. I've seen worse called hits. How does anyone know the game would have gone the same way had CC had the pressure of a no hitter on his mind?

Paulie was banged up all season and finally got healthy. He's still an offensive force in the major leagues, not the washed up .200 hitter a lot of people thought.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 04:04 PM) Papelbon, Valverde, Soria, Sherril, Gregg, Wood, Capps, Saito. All been made full time closers within 3 seasons. Those teams didnt have hard times finding closers. I would argue that Poreda may be our closer in waiting. But if starters are more valuable than closers, why move Poreda to the closer role? Poreda's major league career =? Jenks as a starter=?. Jenks as a closer= elite. I see no reason to mess with it. How many elite closers with zero track record of success as a starter have been converted to one the past 20 years?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 01:38 PM) So you are going back to the line of thinking that he is the same pitcher that was a starter in the Angels organization over 4 years ago? (FYI his last healthy season in the minors as a starter has him going 7-2 with a 2.17 ERA) He has already taken his foot off the gas and actually has added several pitches that work well with the batters making contact. This is pretty evident in his k/9 dropping consistenly over the last few seasons 11.44-10.34-7.75-5.20 He arguably has the best stuff on our staff today. Closers are fairly easy to find these days and we may have one in waiting in Aaron Poreda. And the KROD argument doesnt make any sense at all, not really sure why you put it in there. Why is it that nobody can think outside of the box on this site anymore? There's thinking outside the box and craziness. Some pitchers are more valuable as closers. Bullpens are becoming more important every season. Although there's a possibility he could become an ace, as I stated, he's never pitched more than 123 innings in a season and he hit 109 one year, the only 2 he's been in triple figures. The up and down argument really doesn't apply to him in the bullpen because he is a closer. Its very rare he warms up and sits down and warms up again. But even if he did, wouldn't he have to do that 6 or 7 times a game if he was a starter? He's a closer. If it ain't broke........................ I'm sure Dempster's success has given you this idea, but remember, Dempster was a starter most of his major league career. He's pitched more than 200 innings more than once.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 12:22 PM) So you dont think he'd be a good starter? May I ask why? Do you think he doesnt have the stuff of our other guys? Doesnt know how to pitch as well? Doesnt have the mental makeup? He hasn't been as successful as a starter and if he became one he would have to take his foot off the gas a little bit. Moving Dempster to the rotation made sense because he had at least some success as a starter before, was a mediocre to bad closer and they had replacements several replacements. Why mess with success? Its not about stuff or mental make-up, although Bobby's "stuff" would probably not seem as good over 6 innings as it does for one, plus he has a scrwew in his elbow. He's an elite closer. Maybe the Sox should sign KRod and put him in their rotation. Its a crazy idea.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 10:29 AM) Good starters are more valuable than relievers correct? Take out your point of his elbow which none of us know much about and many opinions state that its better for the pitchers arm to throw on regular rest. Lets say Jenks came out and had a Ryan Dempster type year, then would it be worth it? He's had the workload before, he just wasnt a pitcher, he was a thrower who didnt have command nor any knowhow on how to use his stuff. And the reason its being considered is because this is a message board. Jenks has throw over 100 innings twice as a pro with 123 being his high in a season. It would be insane to move him into the rotation not only because he's at best a question mark as a starter both performance-wise and physically, but it also would weaken a bullpen significantly.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 28, 2008 -> 10:00 AM) So you dont think he would be a good starter? Nope. He may have a few good starts here and there, but its not worth the risk. Goose Gossage was tried as a starter, and he went from a dominating reliever who could throw multiple innings, to a below average starter. Eckersley was a great starter at one time, but he was done until he became a dominant reliever. Derek Lowe did well going from a reliever to starter, but I have a hard time believing Jenks would hold up with the extra workload. The screw and his tendency to put on weight during the season would make me wonder. Keep him where he's at. I don't think his career will be long anyway, but you might as well have a guy at the end of the game you can confidently say will get people out. Unless you really had an unbelievable need for a starter, and you had a young stud who could close, I don't know why it would even be considered.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 08:21 PM) From what I've been told by the office skank, Danks has absolutely no game with the ladies. Once he's arb-eligible, his game will improve dramatically. He won't have to say a word.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 06:50 PM) Because SP's are more valuable than closers. Bobby was a starter his whole career until he came here, he could move back to that role, especially now that his command has improved and he's become a pitcher instead of a thrower. Guys with screws in their elbows shouldn't be pitching 175-200 innings a year. Jenks is far more valuable as a closer than he would be as a starter.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 11:13 PM) we're on pace to score ~840 runs, with ~240 homeruns @_@ Fire Greg Walker. this.team.is.dead.

So he gets the Sun Times to pay for his trip to China then quits. Good for us all, but can someone not a criminal, be a bigger piece of garbage than Jay Marriotti?

For a guy who KW said didn't have to go on the DL, he's sure having a lot of physical problems.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) yeah, uribe had taken his place. Still...it's been a while since Juan played 2b, hasn't it? It was Uribe's homer that extended this game.

This Uribe love is spectacular.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 12:10 PM) If a defensive player is within elbows reach of a baserunner, I would say that is too close and in the path of the baserunner. It would've been different if AJ reached out and slapped him with his arm fully extended, but it was his elbow half-cocked while he is changing directions. Players run with their hands out all the time, and especially to regain balance when changing directions. AJ knew the defensive player was in his path, so just by touching him would make it a possible obstruction call. The funny thing is, if he didn't go so out of his way to make contact with the guy, he never would have fallen and wouldn't have been the benefit of a bad call. There is no way you would see the play the same way if it went against the White Sox.

I don't think Crede's rehab assignment can stretch to Sept. 1. He would probably have to take a roster spot before then.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 08:23 AM) so will this be on WCIU at 5pm central time? no TV I believe, unless it goes more than an hour.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) Why do you believe the umps blew it? It was a borderline call that could've went either way. Regardless, if AJ is called out, Thome is still walked to get to Ramirez, then Ramirez's hit would've easily scored Dye from 2nd who would be running with 2 outs. Either way it was a nice come from behind win. Borderline? C'mon. Was AJP impeded at all? He stuck his elbow out. He made contact and fell down doing so. It was a great play by him, but a horrific call. We will all take it, however. Maybe the worst, or best call of the year depending on who you are cheering for.

If the exact same call was made AGAINST the White Sox, there is not one person on here who would have posted it was the correct call. AJP and the White Sox got a huge break and they took advantage.

All I know is that if AJ played for the Rays and did the same thing, I'd be pissed right now.

Is Doug Eddings AJ's brother in law or something?

Pair of jeans and no shirt, in case I want a piece of a 1st base coach.