Dick Allen

QUOTE (frankie5angels @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:44 PM) He is their best option. Their bullpen is terrible. Gagne was as big of waste of $10 million for Milwaukee this year as The Big Hurt would have been a waste of $10 million for Toronto next year. A guy I work with is a huge Cubs fan. He actually has season tickets right next to the visitor's bullpen and actually watches the games. He couldn't stop talking about how much smaller Gagne is now than he was with the Dodgers. I think he got some help.

I wonder if Hawk thinks LaTroy Hawkins is unlucky

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:38 PM) look at the swings crede takes, after uribe I'd say crede is second in our lineup at swinging at bad pitches I'll take a .300 average, 19 RBI and a league leading 6 homers anytime.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 09:28 PM) swish and quentin are trying to make up for the lack of heart on this team with their own, it's not enough though they are the only two players i see on this team that look like they're busting their ass every day, everyone else is just totally flat edit: i'll add thome to that list, he has been playing hard as well crede, aj, konk, uribe, dye, cab all look disgusting right now Crede is really looking bad. Double, single and Rbi last night, homer tonight. Awful.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) That must of been some dinner Uribe bought for you to keep fluffing such a crappy player. Those other players are not making 4 mill to hope they might achieve that .235 ceiling that Uribe shoots for every year. Uribe would be a HOF caliber player if Walker didn't introduce him to the lift and pull.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) Do 9th place hitters count differently in the stats than hitters in other spots? I mean is it ok for a guy to suck because he's the 9th place hitter. No. Every hitter should hit .400 or they suck.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:15 PM) So because the Sox don't have a solid replacement, Uribe becomes a better player? He still sucks, and he would still suck if Utley was on the roster. It doesn't matter. You entire defense with Uribe seems to be about what other players are doing in the lineup. The other players in the lineup have contributed something over the last few years. Uribe hasn't. And why the hell should he get praised for having a good night? Something about a blind squirrel...? He's been very unappreciated. He plays good defense, hits 20 homers and drives in 70 every year. Sure, all his other numbers suck. He hits 9th and drives in 70 runs. That's probably better than most 9th place hitters. He's struggling now, but will go on a hot streak eventually. He always does. This board treats him like he's a career .150 hitter.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) I'm actually rooting for Massett to get lit up here. The sooner he is off the team and Broadway is up the better. Be careful what you wish for.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:04 PM) I just disagree with that. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I'm not bashing Uribe because there might be a replacement on the roster already. I'm bashing him because he f***ing blows, and has blown for YEARS. The thing that pisses me off is Uribe is the 9th place hitter. He gets slammed for not getting Chamberlain last night, when the 7th place hitter was just blown away. If he went 3 for 4, there would be countless posts b****ing about the out he made. Also, his possible replacements people talk about like they are HOFers. Ramirez is just Uribe if Juan gets his jaw wired shut for a couple of months, and Richar hit .230 with a .289 OBP last year. I don't see where those numbers scream he's worthy of playing everyday on a contender.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:01 PM) He is one of the most overpaid mediocre pitcher in baseball! Javy has ability. I just don't think he really would be anyone's first choice to send out there to win a big game. Whether he is unlucky or too competitive as Hawk seems to think, it seems the bigger the pomp and circumstance, the more likely Javy doesn't dominate.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 07:55 PM) If we go into this perfect storm s*** Walk needs to go. Yes. I knew it was getting close.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 07:55 PM) I wonder if the bullpen had been pitching better lately if we'd have gone to it at the start of this inning or had a quicker jook with javy when someone got on base. Didn't you hear Hawk, Javy is just unlucky, was last year and in 2006. In fact, he's always unlucky if he loses.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 04:11 PM) Note that Paulie has been hitting about as badly as Frank over the past few weeks, yet Ozzie hasn't "indefinitely" benched him for lack of production, even with a much cheaper and ML-ready Josh Fields waiting patiently in AAA. It doesn't answer the question.

The other ironic thing is KW almost traded Garland for Renteria before he traded Garland for Cabrera.

Also keep in mind, every time the White Sox lose, it can be traced back to Juan Uribe.

Make Mussina throw strikes and he will get lit up.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 10:46 AM) LOL, what fanbase? The Maple Leafs fans? When was the last time that the Jays ranked in the top half of the league in attendance? Players also tend to not get hot when they don't have the at-bats against live pitching. If you believe that 60 at-bats (three weeks) is a reasonable window to deem a "lack of production" (especially after a relatively solid first week), you must not be thinking clearly. That may explain the tone of your post. A couple of things, remember the damage the white flag trade did for the White Sox? There were tumbleweeds in the stands before that happened and it hurt them for several years, even when they did well. The Blue Jays have a decent base. They drew more last season than the White Sox did in 2005 when they won it all. If you read Frank Thomas' current scouting reports, they say that it looks like he's hitting with rollerskates on, and the only pitch he can hit is a change-up. He was 4-35, why wouldn't that warrant a little break?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 09:23 PM) Why don't you read the damn thread. We've pointed out why the Blue Jays were classless ad nauseum. Let me ask you a question since you brought up the Blue Jays actions being unethical. There's been a lot of posts on this board how the White Sox must trade Paul Konerko before his 5 and 10 rights kick in, thus giving him the power to determine where he wants to play. Considering Konerko has done far more for the White Sox than Thomas has ever done with the Blue Jays, wouldn't it be unethical to trade him to a team he doesn't want to be with just days before those rights vest, or does good business or good baseball sense only apply to the White Sox?

Keystone only tastes expensive.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 06:48 AM) 2006 .235BA OBP .235 OPS+ 73 2007 .234BA OBP .284 OPS+ 74 2008 .172BA OBP .232 OPS+ 37 If this belonged to anyone but your dinner party you would be leading the charge on launching him. Those stats are the definition of the suck. People b****ing about him like he blew yesterday's game is beyond ridiculous. He had a good game. Getting hits off Joba Chamberlain is not easy. Carlos Quentin whiffed with the bases loaded and 1 out, and not a peep. Uribe ties the game up earlier, and pops up with 2 out, and its bash Uribe time once again. I wonder who is going to be the whipping boy when Uribe is gone. Will you go back to Greg Walker? Wasn't it his fault according to you when certain players don't hit?

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 01:15 AM) Uribe needs to go 2 hits and 2 rbi in a game does suck.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 03:13 PM) It's pretty obvious that they Jays were not going to give him the at-bats, regardless of how he performed as part of a platoon. They were clearly forcing him out so that they wouldn't be on the hook for that $10 million. Maybe, but if he got hot like he was in Oakland, they would have a hard time with their fanbase sitting him. The bad pub would cost them more than $10 million. Its also possible Frank would have go hot and hurt, and his option wouldn't have kicked in, and of course he might not ever have really got hot. We'll see how he does on another team.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 03:46 PM) 2-3 times a week could easily be for the whole year so as to not vest Thomas' option too. If he got 376 PAs this year - meaning 304 more - he could have had his option vest for next year at $10 mill. Thomas asked for his release because he wants his money both for this year and next, and the Blue Jays didn't want to pay next year but obviously were willing to this season. When he found out he would not get his money for next year essentially guaranteed, he wanted out so he could go make more money and get more playing time somewhere else. That seems logical to me. There is no team that will give him a big guarantee next year. He will play off the same contract he played with when he was with Toronto. His only chance at $10 million next year would have been to accept the role offered and perform at a high level forcing the Blue Jays to give him the ABs.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 11:09 AM) No, you're completely right. Rbi and runs are completely independent of what your teammates do, it really isolates a player's contribution. It's like how wins are the best stat to go by when judging pitchers, because the point of playing is to win games. Totally. The problem with Frank is his foot. His OBP isn't as important considering it takes 3 singles to score him, although on a walk he will push a guy on first to scoring position. The reason I mentioned Sosa is their similar numbers last year and that Sammy couldn't find anyone to pay him $7 million this season. I was using this to show that Frank will find no one to pay him $10 million next year, and regardless of everything else, why is it wrong of Toronto if their motivation was to avoid the option? Its clearly within their rights. Why didn't they just bench him from the start, or why didn't they wait until he was getting closer? He's 4 for his last 35. I think most players in that situation usually get a break. Frank was decent last year , not great. Considering he pulled in over $10 million, I doubt Toronto felt like they got their money's worth. There are more than a few scouts, and scouts could be wrong, who think Frank is on his last legs.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 11:58 AM) You would take Sosa's line last year plus 170 more abs of .222/.267/.410 production over what Frank did last year? You're serious? Well alrighty then. If it means more homers, more rbi and more runs scored in the same amount of AB, yes I would, but then again I always thought the object when batting was scoring runs.