Dick Allen

If you use Ozzie's overall record as reason he deserves an extension, you must have been up in arms when Jerry Manuel was shown the door. His teams were pretty good, he won a division. He had a winning record. He never had the highest payroll in the division, Ozzie never has not had the highest payroll in the division. I just don't know why you have to extend him now. He has a contract for next season and an option for 2009. I wonder if its because Marriotti wrote he needed to be fired. It seems the White Sox pay a lot of attention to what's in print and on the airwaves. Maybe Sox fans should put some money together and pay Marriotti to write a column on how the Sox should build a team around Erstad and Pods and Gonzalez. They would be gone in a day.

The White Sox actually drafted Polanco about 5 rounds after they drafted Schueler's daughter.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 05:37 PM) Let's start stockpiling 62nd round picks! Carrie Schueler was long gone by the 62nd round.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) Bonds was drafted 6th overall :D And the White Sox had the 5th pick. I can understand why some here want the Sox to lose, but I still want victories. This draft pick probably won't be able to really help for a least a couple of years, maybe more. Another month of constant losing is another month where the core of the team is going to forget how to win. Losing breeds more losing.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 11:26 PM) Berghoff brewed in Monroe, Wisconsin. You used to be able to buy it as Huber beer, about $8 a case. Of course you had to pay a deposit on bottles. They threw a Berghoff label on it and jacked up the price.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 09:05 PM) I'm not going to try to find the link, but Jim Callis said the CWS would likely be his pick for worst farm system. Houston is the Sox main competition. The Reds (Bailey, Votto) and Pirates (McCutchen and Lincoln) both are better from what I've read... I read that too, but who really knows? It wasn't long ago everyone said the Sox had the best, and that was far from accurate. I just hope there are more surprises than busts. The Sox are very thin in position prospects. They have had the philosophy of drafting pitchers because that is what is most valuable, thinking if they develop they can always trade them for something else.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 09:00 PM) I'm going to go ahead an agree with that. Why do people want to drop Thome? It makes no sense for a number of reasons: 1) He's the best hitter on the team, the only one with OBP skills. 2) He's not that expensive and is a relatively short term commitment. 3) He has a no trade clause 4) If you want more speed from the DH slot...well, whatever. If "plodders" are a concern Crede and Konerko are the ones you should look at. 5) If you want to trade a bat, Konerko is the one. LAA and BALT probably still like him and his contract is more onerous than Thome's. Plus it should be easier to come close to replacing Konerko's production. You can argue the Sox should semi-platoon Thome against LHP and I'd agree... Thome got blasted last season for only hitting 42 homers, driving in 109, hitting .288 having a .416 OBP and 1.014 OPS. So this season he will be considered worthless. People want to replace him with someone who does about half of what he does, but someone who can play a position for those 9 away games at NL parks, obviously not realizing that will misplace one of the other regular players.

I fail to see where Broadway's performance at Charlotte merits a call-up. Another $50k+ wasted by the White Sox. Unless its in his contract he must be called up so he can walk people all night long.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 2, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) If Contreras can go 6+, no ER today, that should be much more important than the L. I guess the best case scenario right now would Count going 7IP, no ER, and the Bukvich and Myers exploding at the end, losing the ballgame. If you are talking about his trade worth, I really don't think a few September starts will make much of a difference even if he is lights out. For the White Sox to trade him, they will have to eat a lot of his contract IMO. They are better off keeping him if thats the case and he shows anything. He has been better as of late although not dominant. If he can get back to a middle of the rotation guy, not even a #1 or #2, he will be worth more next offseason and you will get a season of decent pitching.

I wonder if any team had ever had 6 hits with no one out in the second inning and hadn't scored.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 08:09 PM) Fields underachieves? He's been the brightest spot, along with Jenks, the second half of this season. Its pretty sad isn't it when a guy who is hitting below .230 in the second half with an OPB of about .275 and more than 1 strikeout every 3 ABs can be considered a bright spot.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:53 PM) Did you really have that in mind when you said you didn't understand why people thought Anderson was crap and then a few posts later go on to say you don't like Richar even though he's putting up better (yet still bad) numbers through equal ABs? Guys who play at the collegiate level on average make it to the show with much fewer minor league ABs than guys who don't. Anderson/Richar were/are the same age as rookies. Yeah, but Anderson has to get used to wood bats and his minor league seasons were cut short due to injury. Richar still had more AB even if you throw in BA's college numbers. I haven't ripped Richar BTW, I just said I wasn't high on him and and frankly shocked by all the love a guy with his numbers gets. That's all.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:47 PM) Not that you are wrong about this, but are you EVER wrong? Just wondering. I'm wrong a lot. I'm also right a few times. Just like everyone else. What's the point, I'm not allowed to give an opinion?

QUOTE(3E8 @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) And you were optimistic about Anderson? Do you remember his line through 85 ABs? Yes, but Anderson had quite a few less minor league ABs than Richar.

QUOTE(max power @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:41 PM) The dreaded lead off walk. Has josh really been that bad in LF? No, I haven't been watching lately. I haven't been watching although I was at the game he dropped one. Its a good time for him to be out there. If he can't hack it, you'll be able to tell when the season is over. No big deal. I still think 2B could be a good place for him. He could be Jeff Kent-like.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:38 PM) this is a good season for those guys to be up in those situations and - hopefully - learn from their mistakes. But the question is, do they learn from their mistakes or is this what they are? If the Sox are legitimately trying to win next year, which seems like they are, Owens and Richar based on this year's performance not only should not be starting, they should have to fight to make the team.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:31 PM) I must be the only person, it seems like, who's not a fan of Richar. No, predictably I'm with you on that one. He may be the most liked .190 hitter I've ever seen though.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:20 PM) not everyone here is totally against the all or nothing approach...in addition you have to accept the guys you have for what they are....not to mention fields minor league track record (much like that of chris young, which has been well talked about on this board) suggests he will draw more walks and his obp and probably average will increase.....either way id wayyyy rather have fields who is an all or nothing guy and actually gets the HR here and there vs. anderson who was also an all or nothing guy and barely ever hit he ball outa the park I'm not saying Anderson is a better hitter than Fields. I'd rather have Fields at the plate myself. I just don't understand how one is just crap and the other destined for stardom. I think there was a pretty good chance Anderson's power and OBP and average would increase over his rookie season as well. Maybe he does have an attitude problem, but it can't be too easy breaking in with the defending champion, trying to repeat.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:16 PM) inconsequential given the fact that fields would have 13 or so more HR in the same number of ABs.....also josh fields never hit .255 at AAA with a .318 obp I'm just concerned about Fields strikeouts. He's at 100 in 284 AB, and his walk rate is going down. Only 4 in his last 108 AB. His power has been nice, and I wouldn't mind him fanning 175-200 times a season if he also walked 90-110 times and hit 35-40 homers. He seemed to coax walks a lot better earlier. Maybe they found something that he will go after. Hawk mentioned that he will learn to lay off certain pitches and that may be true, but it can't be automatic.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) Fields' SLG is over 100 points higher than '06 Anderson and his OPS+ is 30 points higher -- 65 for BA and 95 for JF -- (which is a BIG difference.) I thought people on this board didn't like the all or nothing approach? Isn't Fields probably the most extreme all or nothing hitter on the team?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:11 PM) he also hit 9 fewer homers in 80 more ABs He also is a better defender by quite a bit.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:07 PM) 6 IP, 8 H, 3 BB, 2 K's, 3 ER Another mediocre outing from a mediocre pitcher who isn't getting paid like he's mediocre. When Gavin Floyd does that, people get excited. Garland gets a lot of money for what he is. I'd be shocked if he's a White Sox next year. KW had the right idea dumping him last season, he just held out for a little too much, now he will have to settle for something along the lines of what he got for Garcia, maybe less, because Garland makes more, will be coming off a less successful year, and has complained of a knot in his shoulder.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 10:02 PM) If he got really, really hot batting average-wise he could make it interesting, but not too likely. He is #1 in HR, #2 in RBI, #2 in SLG, #4 in OPS. He's top-5 in the voting. Funny what a difference a year makes. Brian Anderson has on OBP of .290 and he can't hit a lick, defense be damned. Josh Fields has an OBP of .290, he's a future star and a ROY candidate.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 09:45 PM) 19 of 20, that's not a typo? Maybe they need a new scouting report.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Aug 29, 2007 -> 08:59 PM) Thome 19 of 20 against the Rangers now. Yipes. And he's reached in 7 straight at bats. I swear we've been told he's washed up.