Dick Allen

QUOTE(beck72 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 08:26 AM) It makes a lot of sense when you look at this--- http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5650 Thornton could be moved for a decent player, and be replaced with Myers, if Myers does decent. He's a had a track record vs. lefties over his career--moreso than Thornton. The guy just got released and apparently no contenders even want him. If the Sox released Thornton, a contender would grab him in a heartbeat.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 08:00 PM) It's moments like this where I just have to wonder, would it REALLY be that difficult to take this amount and place it towards players in the amateur draft who may be seeking an overslot bonus of a hundred thousand or so? Or even a lower round pick or 2 that would sign for an extra $30k and could turn into something. With all the teams looking for relief help, a team in last place with no playoff chance signs this guy. I wonder if this means Thornton is out of here either now or this offseason. I would much prefer Thornton to Myers. This signing makes less sense than the Jeff Nelson signing last year.

A 38 year old LOOGY who can't get out left hand hitters anymore who evidently no contending teams wanted for league minimum. This really is a ridiculous signing.

Get those playoff invoices out.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 05:59 PM) I know it's bad to over-react concerning young prospects, but my gawd Owens just swings through the ball so many times. Whiff. Ditto Richar who is starting to resemble Bee Bee Richard. The Sox have so many holes for next year as they get passed by the Royals in the standings. I don't know what KW is going to do. There's the potential for one of the worst teams in Sox history if the starting rotation starts to pitch the way Jon pitched today and Jose has pitched and Danks has pitched. A glass half full guy would see positive signs in Richar, Owens, Fields. A glass half empty guy would see bad defense in Fields and a lotta strikeouts in all our young hitters. Man I don't know about this team. But I am starting to think Owens can't hit. Look at the bright side, the Sox back-up catchers have driven in 2 runs this season. That's pretty impressive.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 04:41 PM) Crede is guaranteed $4 million no matter what his situation is. Because of his agent, he's going to ask for a raise. Mark Prior did the exact same thing after last year as well He can ask for a raise but if he goes to arbitration its all going to come down to whose figure is closer to the arbitrator's value of him. He probably settle for a nominal bump from this year's figure.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 05:56 PM) Whether we like it or not, here is the simple fact right now. The value of Crede + Broadway Joe Crede has negative value because he will cost you $4+ million next year with no real knowledge that he is healthy. Trading Crede + Broadway will NOT bring a "Decent return". If Crede shows in spring training that he's healthy, a $4 million or $5 million contract will make him very attractive. I really wonder if Broadway has any value.

The question is what kind of no trade did he get? He hinted if traded its like he got a 3 year deal. Its $9.5 million next season. If he has a big year, they can trade him for a s***load because he will essentially have 2 years left on his deal. This is a good deal as long as Dye has at least one good season in him.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 10:39 AM) I disagree, he's worse than that. I wonder what he would do over a full season of play. I'm guessing .241/.263/.270 with about 40 Stolen bases which Ozzie would use to justify playing him. Football players everywhere must cringe at his slugging pct.

The answer is yes, Jerry Owens stinks.

He's batted 44 times this year. He has 3 less extra base hits and 2 less RBI than Richar and Owens combined.

QUOTE(Ozzie's Accent @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 08:42 AM) Not happy but at least there is no false sense of security from management's perspective. No way they can say "we were close, we just need a few minor changes." That is exactly what they are saying.

QUOTE(beautox @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:09 AM) Not a bad signing at all, just move him to LF and deal with Sweeney's growing pains in RF, even though hes been disappointing this season. I agree, i'd like to see the sox move Garland to the Dodgers in the Offseaon for Furcal and Abreu or Meloan. Hu is ready to step into SS for them and they need another starting pitching Furcal is having a down year on a sore ankel but hes a good bet to bounce back. Move Crede to the Giants or Padres. Feel out the rest of the season on Jose let him build up that trade value. Sign one of Rowand/Hunter/Jones/Fukodome, or trade for Crisp/Ellsburry. SS S Furcal 2B L Richar DH L Thome 1B R Konerko LF R Dye C L AJP CF R Rowand 3B R Fields RF L Sweeney If the right moves are made i could see us in contention next season; Bull Pens are so volatile in nature so if we get a semblance of one with our Starting pitching remaining constant or regressing a bit its defiantly possible. KW is going to have to up the payroll significantly. Basically bringing back the same team with minor tweaks such as replacing Uribe with Greene, which has been rumored, and giving them a "do over" is a mistake. I don't know how subtracting Garland and replacing his $ with Rowand or Hunter makes it much better either. The offense would be better, but the pitching takes another step back. Maybe they feel that's an easier sell on their fanbase. Try to get people to forget they actually have a worse record than the KC Royals right now.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 04:10 PM) Passing a physical is no guarantee that Joe's back will stay healthy over the wear and tear of a 162-game season. The Sox could get away with one FA to replace Pods and have Owens/Sweeney in CF next year (or a FA in CF with Sweeney in LF). It isn't the best-case scenario, but it may be worth it if KW doesn't want to give Rowand 4/40 or whatever he'll be commanding. Having veteran talent at every position doesn't necessarily translate into production at the plate (Tad, Uribe, Pods, Erstad, etc.) and KW shouldn't just go out and over-pay for two veteran FA outfielders if the market this off-season is below average. I'd rather he stand pat than pay a veteran salary to Pods, Part II. Paying Joe $5 million to sit on the DL for half of the season, moving Fields back to 3B, and having to trade for another outfielder at the deadline costs a lot as well. I'd love to see Joe back for one more year, but sentimentality shouldn't overshadow the fact that Joe will be a huge question mark next year and that the Sox need to spend money elsewhere (SS, bullpen, and C after next year). My hope is that ownership gives KW the financial freedom to bring Joe back AND address those other needs. We'll see what happens. There's no guarantee that anyone remains healthy. I wonder if Crede would be able to get $5 million in arbitration anyway. I would imagine he would have to show he was healthy. Sandy Alomar Jr. had the exact same procedure that Joe had, and while Sandy was often injured, his back was never a problem again. Of course, that's no guarantee that Joe will be the same, but its a one year deal at half of what you would have to pay a guy on the open market for the same production if Joe is healthy. Unless there is obvious signs the surgery, which remember the White Sox wanted him to have in the first place, was not successful, non tendering is not wise. If you don't want to pay him, if he's healthy you could always deal him. 3rd base is a problem area for a lot of teams.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 04:01 PM) Richar is oozing with talent and I'm perfectly comfortable with him at 2nd. I'm so glad people continue to right off players after 2-3 weeks in the majors. Fields/Richard are must haves in the 2008 lineup. The Sox need to start breaking in 2-3 young players every season (1-2 position guys, 1 or so pitchers) and do it consistently. That type of mentality (albeit you have to have talented young players) helped the Braves stay so damn good for such a long time as it allows you to always have a good mix of talent/vet presence/young affordable players. I'd like to see him hit a little better than Uribe before appointing him a star. I'm not writing him off, but on the other hand, it seems ridiculous to name this guy the starter when he has only 45 ABs in the major leagues and isn't even hitting .200. Uribe happens to be oozing with talent as well. It doesn't mean its all going to come together.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 03:57 PM) I am going to guess that this means the White Sox will not pursue Fukodome this off season. I kind thought maybe that was the name KW gave Buehrle in their super secret meeting. IF Dye rebounds from an off year and we are able to fill the other holes, I am not totally against this move. $11 mil is not a lot IF Dye stays healthy. I read in SI that he's going to get $15 million a year for 4 or 5 years. The Sox wouldn't have gone there, and I don't blame them.

What's amazing is everyone has a problem with Uribe at SS but seems sold on Richar as a regular secondbaseman. Am I missing something here? If Richar and Owens and Andy Gonzalez get regular playing time next year, things probably won't change much.

Its great that all these guys are signing for less than market value. The reality is though, this team, with all of them, is tied for last place right now. KW has a lot of work left for the White Sox to legitimately call themselves contenders.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7133450

Per Ken Rosenthal

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 10:14 PM) Holy cow, Richar is trying his best to keep me unimpressed. Looks like a weak, slap hitter right now. There actually are people very impressed by him. I don't see it yet. Jerry Owens has 7 RBI in over 200 AB. That's hard to do.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 10:05 PM) We didn't trade for Floyd to be in the bullpen. If he's there, I want Williams to own up and admit he drastically overrated Floyd. Someone has to be held accountable when people fail at evaluating players. He doesn't have to admit it. Floyd reminds everyone about it everytime he toes the rubber.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 09:45 PM) Haven't people been saying for awhile now that Garland is as good as gone in the offseason? I honestly don't see Kenny trading him unless he gets a great deal. Garland goes up to $12 million next year, and for 2 seasons now has complained about a knot in his shoulder. He most likely won't be re-signed and KW had him traded before. If they could get rid of Contreras' contract, I think that's the only way he stays.

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) It seemed more like a Suzuki issue than an intensity issue. Probably, but if Jerry Owens played 3rd base and Konerko hit a routine grounder to him, his arm would make it interesting. He makes the One Dog look like he has a cannon.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 09:54 PM) We lead the world in AAAA players, it seems. If KW wants OBP players so much, can we try Thome at leadoff? He's certainly not hitting like a #4 hitter anymore, so why not try something new? Did you see that Matt Stairs led off for Toronto the other day.