Dick Allen

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Aug 28, 2007 -> 04:37 PM) For comparison, how about Shapiro in Cleveland. Everyone raves about their talent, and I like their team. He's been there for 6 years as GM and in their organization since 1992. From 2001 to 2006 they won one division (2001) and were over .500 one other year (2005). They had a great 2005 as we all know and then completely tanked last year. They're a good team this year and lead the division but I wouldn't classify them as dominant by any means. Ownership stuck with both Shapiro and their manager after last year's debacle and now they lead the division. The teams were at different points when each took over. Shapiro had to rebuild and trade veterans for young players. KW has had the luxury and resources to go for it. The White Sox have had about $120 million more to play with the last 4 seasons. Some of it because KW won, but still the comparision is really not fair.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Aug 28, 2007 -> 02:49 PM) Well-said I don't know that the Sox have been so successful under KW. He did win , I'll give him that, but for the majority of the time he's been the GM the division has been weak. KC and Det. were absolutely atrocious, Cleveland rebuilt. Minnesota has turned over their roster. In the six years he didn't win a championship or division or wild card, KW's teams are a combined 9 games over .500. Considering the unbalanced schedule, its not so impressive, at least to the degree where you can say without a doubt that KW is the smartest GM around.

I must say it is amazing Cooper gets no blame. I understand most of the pitchers suck, but so does most of the line-up.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Aug 28, 2007 -> 10:18 AM) "BOOR-jwaaah" Sort of like a right winger for the Montreal Canadiens. I hope he's more successful than BOOR-chard. BTW, the headline on whitesox.com is Floyd takes the reigns as White Sox go south. I wonder if they thought about that one before they put it up.

Gene Lamont got fired and he has a better winning pct. managing the White Sox than Ozzie Guillen. Jerry Manuel was fired after having a team win 86 games. I love how some people claim 2006 was a success because the team won 90 games, yet bash Billy Beane because the A's have won that many several times but have done nothing in the playoffs. Personally, I don't think Ozzie or Kenny ever will be fired, but if they bring back basically the same team with small tweaks, or bring back a team in 2008 that is the same or worse, they both should be gone. Roland Hemond lost his job after a "decent" 1985. With 7 or 8 guys on the roster making $10 million or more, battling it out with KC for the cellar isn't going to do White Sox partner's pockets any good.

http://www.examiner.com/a-903190~Not_looki...at_for__08.html

Supposedly Rowand is close to signing an extension. Please be true.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 06:50 PM) Uh, Konerko's slam is greater than 2 and 3, for sure. Iguchi's homer against the Red Sox after the ball went through Graffinino's legs was also huge. There is no telling what kind of confidence lift that gave the team. Who knows what happens if Boston wins that game.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 03:06 PM) Oh let him enjoy the game for once...it's not like he's had anything to celebrate lately. Its all for show. He's not enjoying this game. He'd rather be golfing or sleeping.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) That time too, if you'll recall, Widger hit a fourth homer in that inning. Grand slam I think. Against Toronto 4 or 5 years ago, they hit 3 in a row and 4 out of 5.

Supposedly Hawk is having a muliple orgasm right now. Someone needs to show him the standings. He's not going to be able to sell this team to anyone right now, even if they win 15 in a row.

Fields must have homered, I can see the fireworks from my office.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 26, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) I remember seeing A LOT of people saying we should spend everything to take one chance at a World Series, and that it didn't matter what happened after the fact. They just wanted the one title. Those people seem to have all disappeared, except for one honest one here. to you for being honest. The thing is the White Sox didn't sell the farm to win the WS. They did it pretty economically, and the only "prospect" they really surrendered and I am using that term as losely as it can, was Ryan Meaux. This team should not have suffered a drop off this badly. In fact the only franchise to be below .500 the second season after winning it all is Florida. There was another team or 2 that were below .500 the season after but bounced back a bit.

Maybe Gavin Floyd can go there again and get Kenny all excited.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 02:44 PM) Without a W.S. win on their record and the dominant full-season performance in 05, I might consider it (let's also remember the Stros were merely a wild card team that year) Without a WS win, first off the payroll wouldn't be as high, but if it was, there would be a lot more blood shed this season than Duanne Shaeffer. That's for sure, but I really wonder if it would be the 2 guys most responsible for putting together the roster.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 02:41 PM) Still wondering why KW has a job. Houston just fired their GM and Manager. Maybe if Houston swept the Sox in 2005 KW and Ozzie would be looking for jobs. I doubt it though.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 02:38 PM) and who's the 3rd starter? You would have $25 million a year to find one. Even KW probably could do that.

The cost is prohibitive. You have to pay Vazquez $11 million a year. You will have to pay a Rowand or a Hunter $12million to $18 million a year. You could have Young making close to minimum in CF and $25 million a year to play with.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 01:28 PM) so when I go to Cooperstown, will there be a section roped off where they are going to put Chris Young's plaque in 20 years? It will be the small display right next to the large Josh Fields wing.

Before anyone wants to send AJ out the door, please remember White Sox catchers not named AJP have driven in exactly 2 runs this season. Molina was bad, but Hall whether it can be blamed on his injury or not, might just be the most worthless player in major league baseball. He has not hit at all for average or power, he doesn't seem to call a particularly good game, he cannot throw at all....................

2 k's and a pop out for Contreras in the first. Maybe he'll find his form the last 5 weeks.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 01:09 PM) Oh, and someone needs to bring up 1994 as well. 1995 was pathetic. They fired LaMont 30 games in, totally unfair, and replaced him with Bevington, totally inexcusable.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 26, 2007 -> 02:50 PM) I still think we're going to see Fields/Owens/Dye on day one. Presumably, of course, that means day 2 will be Podsednik, Erstad, Dye, because you know, they gotta get at bats. If Jerry Owens is the White Sox lead off hitter in 2008, KW would have failed again to fix the problem. He should not be leading off. He should not play everyday. He is a fourth OFer at best who should bat 8th or 9th.

Ozzie had a comment yesterday to Jerry Remy where he said Boston was in a pennant race and implied that would make them play harder. If the White Sox have quit because they haven't been successful, more than just Ozzie needs to be fired.

The White Sox have not been this far below .500 since 1989.