Dick Allen

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 02:55 PM) With Buehrle, it wasn't necessarily tiredness but he wasn't conditioned properly in the offseason as he, by his own admission, took it a little easy after the WS win. As far as Garcia, all his innings don't hurt. Everyone else wasn't THAT bad. Contreras' innings have definitely hurt him. He's thrown like 8000 in Cuba and here combined. Garland started off with dead-arm. Vazquez was fine. The whole "overextended pitching staff" thing isn't exactly a hollow excuse. Randy Johnson spoke about it last year, too. But what the f*** does he know?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? And last year the White Sox lead baseball hitting with RISP. They had a higher OBP hit more homers, and struck out less than Texas, who have supposedly the greatest hitting coach who has ever walked. Leo Mazzone was a pitching coach God, now with Baltimore, his relievers blow. Did he suddenly become stupid? Did Walker suddenly become stupid? The offense has no speed, has no one who can hit and run. Is loaded with guys who strike out a lot. Why is it Walker has to change them from what they are but Cooper gets a pass? I have read countless posts how great Javy Vazquez is. Look at his record with the Sox. Cooper is getting nothing from him. Is it the coaches fault? What about the bullpen. MacDougal was good now he sucks. Blame Cooper. Aardsma was decent in meaningless games for the Cubs. Now he sucks. Blame Cooper. Sisco can't throw a strike. I'm blaming Cooper. Personally, I just think its ridiculous to pin the White Sox lack of offense on the hitting coach. The team is constructed very poorly. I would just like to see consistency from the board when placing blame on failure. If its Walker's fault the offense is bad. Its Coopers fault the bullpen can't throw a strike, and Vazquez always pitches well enough to lose. Ozzie gets a pass too. If Jerry Manuel were the manager he would get fried on this site. Gene LaMont got fired about 30 games into the 1995 season for bad results even though he won a division in 1993 when it was tougher to make the playoffs, and led a team whose organization says to this day would have won the WS in 1994 if there had been one. Finally, KW needs to be skewered as well.

Erstad's injury will pretty much guarantee his option will be $3.5 million. If he shows his ankle is fine the second half, its probably a lock KW exercises it. Assuming KW is still at the helm.

Considering this is the 4th year Floyd has had starts in AAA, I don't think anyone should get too excited about a little success. I don't know why people want to make Sisco a starter. He throws 35 pitches an inning.

For a second, I thought KW re-acquired him.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 12:04 PM) The Baltimore Orioles have hired former cub and twin front office man Andy McPhail as their new chief operating officer. There is now speculation that this will be it for Baltimore manager Sam Perlozzo, and that the Orioles could be the next team to target Joe Girardi as a skipper. No idea what any of this would mean for Leo Mazzone. Leo Mazzone is the world's greatest pitching coach. He is the anti-Walker. Amazing how much better of a coach you are when you have good players.

From the AP Sam Perlozzo was fired as manager of the Baltimore Orioles on Monday with the last-place team in the midst of an eight-game losing streak. Perlozzo's firing was disclosed by a person with knowledge of the situation who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made. The Orioles scheduled a news conference for later Monday. Bullpen coach Dave Trembley, who has served as a minor league manager in the organization, will be the interim manager when the Orioles begin a six-game trip in San Diego on Tuesday. Perlozzo was victimized by an underachieving bullpen and a punchless offense that ranks last in the AL in home runs. That last statement easily could have Ozzie Guillen's name substituted for Perlozzo's. Does this mean hard Art is the heir apparent?

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) It's naive to think that would make decisions based on only two months of play. With that in mind... Carl Everett hit .265/.335/.465 in the 2.5 seasons immediately preceding his '03 trade to the White Sox. Jermaine Dye has hit .283/.347/.543 in his 2.5 seasons on the southside. There's a bit of performance difference between the two. Considering it most likely would be a rental, I would think the stats of the current season would come into play. If we are going by 2005-2006 stats, the White Sox wouldn't be moving Dye. Everett was hitting .274 with 18 homers and going to the All Star Game. Dye has struggled. Everett wasn't healthy the previous seasons. Dye wasn't healthy before signing with the White Sox.

Carl Everett was having an all star season when KW traded away not the greatest package to get him. Francisco was pretty good, but got hurt, and the Rangers picked up a lot of salary. I really don't think 3 months of Jermaine Dye is going to net more than a B prospect or 2.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 10:52 AM) Actually you are wrong there. The price of durable mediocre starters is pretty much what we are paying Vazquez. Go look at the pitching contracts over the last couple of winters. The White Sox can't afford to have an $11.5 a year 5th starter when they can't develop cheaper starts through their system. Lilly, Meche and Marquis 3 guys who everyone laughed at this winter when they signed, and the alledged barometer to justify what Vazquez gets, have been much better than Javy this year. Where are all the people that said he just needed to be settled in and 2007 would be a banner year from him?

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 08:58 AM) same with me, although I am 1-0 on the year. I want Fields to do well, but I could care less for Contreras. Had it been Buehrle, Garland, or Danks, I would hope they all perform well, but maybe Count can pitch well and improve his trade value. Surely, someone would take a World Series champion starting pitcher, but where would Jose accept a trade to is the difficult part. Contreras also had a no trade when he was with the Yankees. He stated he didn't want to be where he wasn't wanted. I think if he does have a no trade, which I'm really not sure of, it would be of little hinderance. I still think he's a good pitcher. I wouldn't trade him.

I read in the paper today he should be back this week, and Erstad should be back during the Marlins series. I'm not expecting much from either one though. Erstad got hurt on a swing,so he may go down at anytime, and its not like Pods was Rickey Henderson II in Charlotte. He even says he's worthless if he can't steal.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:33 PM) Um...I don't get it. Billy Goat has nothing to do with baseball. A hitting coach has a s***load to do with baseball. Bottom line this offense and the bullpen have been horrendous. The offense has been bad all season while the pen actually was good for the first month of the season. Point being...with a better offense this team has quite a few more wins (same can be said about the pen) and well Greg Walker is the hitting coach so when a team is the worse in baseball (and possesses guys that have produced during large chunks of there major league careers) the blame is going to deservingly get pointed at the guy whose paid to teach and help work with the hitters (whether its his fault or not). Then shouldn't Don Cooper be out of a job? The pitching is why the Sox didn't win last year, and its actually worse by the numbers this year at the same point in time. Don Cooper doesn't get any heat. Everyone bought the playoff tiredness, too bad it doesn't seem to affect other teams that make the playoffs way more often than the White Sox. Its not the coaches. Its the players. They are not that good. The White Sox have a few good individual offensive players. They really have no speed. They really have no lead off guy. They have no one who can bunt. They have no hit and run guys. They are loaded with slow guys who swing and miss a lot. KW needs to go back to the drawing board.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 07:54 AM) I like him, but how bad is his defense really? He is one of the worst OFers of all-time. He has problems just catching a pop-up. He can hit and he hits right handed. It may be worth it if the price was right.

QUOTE(RX Bandits @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:23 PM) c'mon, the contract isnt that bad. look at what the going rate is for pitching. hell vazquez is better than the crap the cubs paid a ton of cash for last off season. plus, he takes the ball every 5th day. If a #5 starter is $11.5 million a year, that means the guys above him are worth more. There is no way unless you are the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs or Dodgers you can spend over $60 million a year on your rotation and have enough money to cover the rest of the team without there being huge holes. Vazquez's results, which to me are far more important than what he looks like in the bullpen warming up, are below average for his career.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) It's been said before by many but the retooling of our bullpen since the title season has been a major joke. I don't know what KW is going to do to fix it for the future. Maybe have at least one member of the bullpen make the league average?

Considering Adam Dunn has dunn nothing to help the Reds win, I don't know how he will help the White Sox this season. The hole is too deep. The White Sox now have a golden opportunity to start planning for 2008 and beyond. Making mistakes now should cost jobs.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 06:06 PM) Lol. We now have the same amount of wins as the *gasp* Royals. Sad. Sad. Worst team in the AL and plummetting! Make no mistake about it, the Royals have a good ballclub.

How many more times is Ozzie going to say that if the players think losing is OK they are playing for the wrong GM and wrong manager, before the GM and manager actually do something about it?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 07:08 PM) Bill James screwed Dick Allen out of making the HOF. Bill James is mean. That rat bastard. I have my speech prepared, but its useless now.

Javy struck out 8 in 6 innings. Man, he's good. Only gave up 5 runs. I'm glad the Sox gave him an immovable contract through 2010.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:37 AM) I've been at the games the last 2 days in Cincinnati, and have seen Dunn a ton since he came up. I am completely in on dealing for him, he's basically Jim Thome without the batting average at the plate and we need outfield help. The problem with Dunn is he is also basically Jim Thome in the OF, and his option is null and void if traded. He's basically a rental. If KW wants to acquire him for some B level prospects, its probably worth going for.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 04:58 PM) So then you are backing me up on this idea - a fan that reads a couple of scouting reports knows very little if anything about a player, but a couple of organizations that see him as a starting 2B in 08 knows more - correct? Or - I'm sorry - maybe you have actually seen this guy play a lot in person and you are making your judgement on what you actually have seen in him. First - I never heard anyone say he would be tearing up the AL. SEcond I never heard anyone say Owens was anything more than a 4th OF at best. Third- Willie Harris was supposed to be a regular? I never heard that - ever. Fourth - I have heard many changes in age that affect the way an organization looks at a player. That happens. Plus who said I wanted or that KW wanted the line-up to be filled with rookies? If you look at my previous posts in any thread you would know that this is definitely not what I want - I can't speak for KW. I would bet the White Sox are planning on using him as Iguchi's replacement in 08. Speculation, opinion - yes - just as is yours. You never heard that Willie Harris was supposed to be a regular? How long have you been following the White Sox? He actually was a regular for a little while.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 04:39 PM) His scouting report seemed to think he would be the replacement next year for Hudson. So I'm guessing he is not Ozuna like and that he would be starting in 08. The report also stated that he would be in the majors in 08, but most likely not with the Diamondbacks if they move Upton to 2B. If 2 organizations think he will be a starter in 08 I think they would know more than, say, a fan that read a scouting report or 2. Just a hunch. classic What was the scouting report on Brian Anderson? Wasn't he supposed to be starting in CF tearing up the AL? Wasn't the scouting report on Jerry Owens a couple of years ago saying he should be in someone's OF in 2007? Wasn't Willie Harris supposed to be a regular say 4 or 5 years ago? You also should read the old scouting reports on Pablo Ozuna. He was once ranked as one of the best prospects in baseball, until they found out he was a few years older than they thought. If KW is truely "going for it" like he constantly says, a line-up filled with rookies isn't going to work. Maybe the guy does start his rookie year when he's 25, but he ain't that great. Who are the 2 organizations that think he'll be a starter in 2008? You just said it most likely wouldn't be the Diamondbacks, and I have yet to hear KW's take on him?

Forgive me for not being too excited about a 24 year old putting up decent numbers in the PCL. I'm guessing KW is hoping this guy can be Pablo Ozuna- like, I'd be shocked if he's counting on him being a regular as soon as next season.

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) I think North is a fool for even sugggesting the sox are laying down and not trying. Yeah that's it Mikey. The Sox don't care and everyone of them said: 'Screw winning or losing, screw the money I can make if I pitch well, I'm going to go out there and not try' That's exactly what's happening, right? North is an idiot for even going in that direction. I hope he takes Imus' job so I can listen to WSCR in the mornings. Bob Ozzie hinted the players were laying down.