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QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ May 13, 2006 -> 08:31 PM) I hate watching Liriano when he's mowing down our hitters. Aside from that, I enjoy watching talented pitchers pitch. I'll stop complaining when our organization producers or trades for a pitcher comparable to Liriano. It's that simple. He looks like the second coming of Santana. Could we trade AJ for Liriano and Nathan?

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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) And, as everybody knows, that worked out just fantastic now, didn't it (leaving Cotts out of the equation for just a moment)? Before making any moves, I'd like to see a couple of our AAA arms given a shot to succeed -- Tracey, Lopez, and Nelson. I'm willing to bet we'd 'hit it lucky' on at least one of those guys... Lopez sucks, Tracey may have a nice future, but he had a shot at a bullpen job this spring and was horrible is spring training. Nelson will most likely be with the Sox, but as I posted before, no one exactly knocked his door down after St.Louis released him after what appears to be an impressive spring. He is nasty on right handed batters, but lefties rake. As long as he's not hurt, I think KW should think about Brad Lidge. He just lost his closer's role, and makes around $4 million. Its very possible he's available, and a change of scenery may be just what he needs.

I believe Garland is making around $7 million this year, which is right around or a little below what his arbitration number would have been. He makes $22 million total the next 2 seasons. If he's the pre-2005 Garland in 2006, its going to be very difficult trading him. He was great last year, but even JR has said last year is in the past. This is a guy who has been very hittable from the last couple of weeks of spring training on. Widger mentioned earlier in the year that he had a sore shoulder, and nobody picked up on that. I don't know if its still bothering him. A lot of people were putting the blame on his mediocrity before on Jerry Manuel, and of course Ozzie was getting a lot of credit for his success last season. It was never Manuel's fault Garland got lit up often, just as its not Ozzie's fault he's getting hit hard this season. He's a #4 or #5 guy who had everything fall into place for himself last season. If his control is off, like Buerhle he will get hit, especially if his sinker isn't working, which it hasn't much this year. His control is off more than Buerhle's. As long as he's not injured, he will still have some good games, he always has, but they won't be as frequent as last season.

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ May 13, 2006 -> 09:46 AM) hopefully i'm not misunderstanding your point, but it sounds like you are saying something like 'because we won the series, our organization as a whole is in great shape" just ask the Marlins how that works out. i mean, we have put a lot into winning now, and that has meant getting close to decimating the farm system. you of course realize this, no? I won't speak for him, but I don't think that's what he meant. The White Sox situation is totally different from the Marlins. The Sox minor leagues have been overrated for years, and that has actually helped KW, because he has been able to move some of these guys that have or will amount to nothing and get usable parts in return. It remains to be seen what Gio and Young turn out to be. They may be eventually be stars but if Vazquez and Thome lead the Sox to another WS, the price would be well worth it. The fact remains though, there just aren't any pitchers in the Sox minor league system right now that the organization could have any confidence in getting major league hitters out, I not counting Nelson,and the current White Sox bullpen needs another 1 or 2 of those guys. Its interesting that Lidge has been removed as the Astros closer. I wonder if his problem is mental or physical.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 13, 2006 -> 09:29 AM) The fact that we are world champs and off to another great start speaks volumes about the Sox organization. Yes it does, but they are winning differently than last year, in a style that's not built for the long haul. The offense and starting pitching (for the most part) have been outstanding. The only real trouble spot is the bullpen. I'm sure KW will do something about it.

The fact that we are pining for Nelson, a guy no team seemed very interested in after he was released by the Cardinals, speaks volumes about the Sox bullpen and farm system.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 12, 2006 -> 09:39 PM) Why is it I feel like the bullpen is so much better than those numbers? Aside from Logan and Mitsubishi, I think everone on that list is below where they'll finish up this seaosn. You're probably right, but it remains to be seen how much lower.

For the Sox to win tonight, Garland would probably have had to pitch a shutout. The way he's throwing, it would be hard to imagine him shuting out an Independent League team right now.

BP ERA's McCarthy 5.21 Jenks 5.52 Cotts 3.14 Politte 6.17 Logan 3.38 Thornton 7.04 Montero 5.40 We all know as well as KW that winning will not continue if these don't improve. I expect KW is working frantically on fixing this. Of course, the bullpen had nothing to do with tonight's loss. Beating Santana is tough.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 12, 2006 -> 09:15 PM) So if Judy keeps getting raped on a every 5th day status, do we see Bmac out of the pen and into the rotation. You will in 2007

QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ May 12, 2006 -> 09:10 PM) It looks like Ozzie is letting Garland take his lumps either that or resting the bullpen. Oh well, can't win em all. The Sox have no chance as long as Santana remains in the game, and not much of a chance if they go to the bullpen. Ozzie should just give the bullpen another day of rest and let Montero get lit up until the game is over.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 12, 2006 -> 09:08 PM) SSH, righties are batting over 300 against Javy in Charlotte....so you've got that. Batters are hitting below .140 against Tracey..... I really like Tracey, I was really disapointed in his spring training performance.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ May 12, 2006 -> 09:01 PM) Its been .2 innings. He's been in the minors 9 years without sniffing the major leagues. Sometimes you don't have to see much to see its not going to work out. Montero sucks, there is no doubt about that. QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 12, 2006 -> 09:02 PM) He's been kicking ass at Charlotte. Winning down there can carry up. When's the last time the Sox brought a pitcher up from Charlotte during the season who did anything postive?

They should just release Montero. Seriously, why keep this guy around, unless you really need him at Charlotte. He can't pitch in the major leagues effectively.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 12, 2006 -> 08:51 PM) At least if Judy is going to pitch like this maybe we should flip flop him and Bmac. The money he makes now is silly, but he hasnt shown too much improvement outside of facing the mighty royals offense. The money he makes next year and the year after are even sillier. Hopefully he can turn it around, but he's been very hittable this year.

QUOTE(TheBlackSox8 @ May 12, 2006 -> 08:48 PM) it's official Jon Garland = Adrian Beltre of pitchers............give him a contract and the "talent" disappears. Notice Hawk hasn't been Jerry Manuel bashing this season. He basically blamed all of Garland's struggles before on him.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 12, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) Bring in Agustin. Might as well make someone eliglible for MLB 07 tonight. I'd like to see Ozzie throw him in the game too. Then he might not be tempted to put him in a game the Sox have a chance of winning.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ May 12, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) It'll be interesting to see where the two end up this year. So far Jose is dominating him in pretty much ever stat but Ks. .235 OBP against? That is disgusting. Santana got off to a horrible start, but he's been his old self lately.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ May 12, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) Man, our lineup is basically conceding to Santana. No one is even making an effort except Pablo. Santana's ERA against the Sox at the Metrodome is 0.60 I think. They weren't going to get many tonight no matter how well Garland pitched.

QUOTE(3RDBASE @ May 12, 2006 -> 08:36 PM) stupid...lol...yeah ok...who wants a stupid WS ring, certainly not Santana. You can't base how valuable individual players are by team accomplishments. Timo Perez has played in 2 WS and has 1 ring. Albert Pujols hasn't played in 1 WS let alone win one. Who's better? If Santana was on the Sox, he would be the #1 pitcher on the staff. The ace. Ahead of Buerhle, ahead of Contreras.

At least the Sox won't be wasting a Garland gem tonight.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ May 11, 2006 -> 10:13 AM) Self uses hair plugs. He has a rug. I know someone who has seen it off.

I just saw the footage of Rowand's catch. It was a nice. His face and nose went forward into the wall like he was in a head- on car wreck.

Hawk always mentions he would throw as many lefties as possible against Santana. It takes away his change.