Dick Allen

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 07:03 AM) I still question why Cotts is never used for more than 2 batters. He could have come out for another inning and faced Haffner instead of Marte. Ozzie doesn't want to use Cotts against RH batters despite the fact that when he let him face righties they are 13-102 with 1 homerun. That's a .127 average. So because of his reluctance to have him face his second right handed hitter in a row, he got a righty out who was a switch hitter, he has Vizcaino come in for 1 batter and then throws "Everyday" Marte to the wolves with very predicable results. He is a horrible manager. One of the worst in-game managers of all-time. Terry Bevington was no worse. Ozzie was probably pretty good outside the game. He appeared to have the player's respect for the most part, but a collapse like this if it does become complete, would be very hard for him to overcome. I am not a big fan of KW, and think if the Sox do choke this away he should be put to pasture as well, but if Ozzie doesn't get canned no one else deserves to. They need to get a bench coach will experience who could teach Ozzie how to run a pitching staff, and explain to him players who don't know how to bunt shouldn't be asked to bunt. I hope they can turn this around, but if they don't my dream scenerio would have JR totally cleaning house. This team needs a new thought process IMO.

A great point was made about Dye attempting a bunt when he really has no chance to get a bunt down. How many times have we seen White Sox players attempt bunts who have absolutely no chance of ever succeeding since Ozzie took over. And his biggest apologist, the guy who can't stop taking swipes at a class act in Jerry Manuel, always spouts off a good manager doesn't ask a player to do something he isn't capable of doing. Hey Hawk, are you watching the same games as us?

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 11:00 PM) Politte, Cotts..........they've been getting it done all season, why the f*** should they be allowed to pitch in a pressure situation?!?! Think if Politte and Cotts were hispanic they'd be in there with it all on the line? Its happening again. Politte warmed up when Jenks was in the game. Viz was in for 1 hitter I believe. Maybe he's had more success at getting him out than Politte, although I really doubt Ozzie would do that much research, or have any knowledge of the facts. Also maybe Politte is hurting.

I'll be at the rest of this season's home games, and I am not going to boo anymore. I'm going to gag. Just like the Sox.

QUOTE(56789 @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 10:56 PM) So im at the game tonight and right before Jenks came in Ronny Woo Woo walked down the section next to us (143-144) in all out cubs gear wooing. He sat down in the 2nd row and then Jenks came in and everyone stood up and went crazy, but when it settled down he was gone. What the f*** is this guy doing at a sox game. He's there a lot, and if he is sitting in season ticketholder seats, whoever is the proud owner of those, should have their ticket priviliges revolked.

Ozzie is an idiot. How does a guy go from being kicked off the team to entering every game? What does he have against Cotts facing right handed hitters? Has he bothered to check the numbers? Ozzie was in over his head when he got the job and the way he handles the pitching staff proves it. They are going to win 90 something games this year and they just gave him an ill advised extension, so he won't get waxed. What they need to do, besides telling him its really a good idea to have guys who can hit up and down the line-up, especially in the AL, is privately push out Harold Baines. There has been rumors he really doesn't like the bench coach position, make it good for him to do something else, and bring in a guy like Jim Leyland, who probably won't be available, but might, or another older successful former manager who maybe can teach Ozzie how to manage a pitching staff. As long as things remain status quo in that area, so will the White Sox World Series appearances. Disgusting today.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) Durazo or giles are the only two real options and i do not even consider giles an option. I see him going to the braves pretty easily to unite with his little brother. They will have the money since they will not be resigning furcal ( very good chance). Looks like they may have to trade for one.

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Pods, LF Iguchi, 2B Everett, DH PK, 1B AJ, C Dye, RF Rowand, CF Uribe, SS Crede, 3B Garcia, RHP. JR has to open the checkbook this offseason and get a real #3 hitter. But I'm glad they got Konerko back the the clean-up spot. Maybe Everett will get hot. The Sox could really use him.

The Sox are going to have to figure out how to score some runs. If they only get 4 in this series, they will be very lucky to win one. Garcia, Buehrle and Garland have to pitch like they did earlier in the season. Hopefully Garcia can go at least 7 or 8 innings tonight to set the bullpen up for the whole series.

Cleveland has won 12 out of 13. They have to cool off sometime, don't they?

For the "gamer" this guy was cracked up to be, check out his .161 average with 16 strikeouts in September. He's all talk. Talk with your bat, #8.

QUOTE(whitesoxgt @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 06:37 PM) Whats wrong with McCarthy Ozzie?????? u said he wasn't a cy young winner, neither is Hernandez ;-) Neither is anyone on the Sox staff.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 06:44 AM) I thought we have to face the Twins and Santana again? I believe we have four more games with them at the Cell. Santana will pitch against the Sox next Thursday I believe. Hopefully whoever starts for the White Sox will be able to pitch a shutout and hopefully the Sox will be able to score in extra innings when Santana is removed.

On Sep. 7 the lead was 9 1/2. People were starting to fret and doubt the Sox then. If this is what drives them and has them lose 6 games in the standings in 12 days with no head to head games against the compitition, I'd hate to see what would happen if nobody worried. This would be the biggest collapse in major league history. After looking like a AA team in KC, where they were lucky they weren't swept, they have scored a whopping 2 runs in 2 games in Minneapolis. I don't think the prospects for victory are very good Sunday afternoon. This team is choking big time.

Cleveland leads 3-0 and they have nobody out in the first.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) The worst thing about this is, IF the worst-case scenario plays out we can never trust ANY lead the Sox might ever have again. ...and I'm not even sure how much I'm kidding about that.... You are right. If they don't make the playoffs this will be a more damaging season than if they lost 100 games.

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) What is Ozzie ball anyway? I have no idea what kind of ball he is trying to get his team to play at this point. I'll take the bashing and the heat if it comes. Or the yawns and crickets for that matter. Ozzie is a train wreck of a Major League Baseball manager. You got that right.

This franchise hasn't won a championship in 88 years, and hasn't played in a World Series in 46 years. Spoiled is not a word you could possibly associate with White Sox fans.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) The Corpseball 2005 Award for Futility goes to a coach who gets the least of of his talent. What does it say when Uribe can't hit sour apples, goes to Hriniak for a couple of days, and the next thing you know, he's the most dangerous hitter in the line-up? I think it means you need a better hitting coach.

One thing this collapse does bring is the obvious vision that this team has a hell of a lot of flaws. It isn't JR being cheap, the Sox have the highest payroll in the division by far, in fact it is $34 million higher than Cleveland. I'm pretty sure if this team didn't have this stretch and won the division by 15 games, there wouldn't be many changes even if they were swept in the first round of the playoffs. KW and more importantly JR now see this team needs to be a lot better no matter what Ozzie says. I hope this collapse, while I know it won't cause Ozzie his job, will at least take away his influence on roster make-up.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) Thanks Walt Hrniak and his leg kick hitting trigger. Bring him back. Walker doesn't seem to be getting through to his hitters.

I hope they try something different against Santana next week. Santana's ERA against the Sox his last 7 starts is less than 1.00.

Dye is lost.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) Cleveland got the memo, KC is the worst team in baseball. They will sweep them. We however have our number one and number 2 pitches s*** the bed, and our closer give up a bunch of hits. We scored a bunch of runs against the worst pitching staff in baseball and some people on here thought our offense was fixed. Run the Charlotte Knights out there and they will put up a 5-9 spot against the Royals. Prior to Hermanson s***ting his pants, KC had lost 158 out of 159 games when trailing in the 9th.

Why do other teams get hits off Santana?